Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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I think a lot of this just comes down to an issue that Trek has had since TNG - the introduction of replicators means the society is basically post-scarcity and can do absolutely anything. However, writers hate this, because it means any plot which is based upon needing X doesn't work, so they try and find excuses to ignore this.
Logically thinking through the industrial capacity of the Federation, it should be easy enough to transport and house Romulan refugees. And they shouldn't be a strain on Federation worlds, because few people work anyway - they just laze around doing what they want and get replicator rations. But that makes for a boring story, so I'm sure they're going to ignore it selectively.
Logically thinking through the industrial capacity of the Federation, it should be easy enough to transport and house Romulan refugees. And they shouldn't be a strain on Federation worlds, because few people work anyway - they just laze around doing what they want and get replicator rations. But that makes for a boring story, so I'm sure they're going to ignore it selectively.
First, that reminds me. My wife finally was convinced to let me buy that game after having a terrible experience with one player. Sigh. I need to pick it up.
Second, lol!
I love that game. Found a 3d printed tiles that I am seriously debating on buying because it looks so cool.First, that reminds me. My wife finally was convinced to let me buy that game after having a terrible experience with one player. Sigh.
Second, lol!
Also, the Star Trek one is super cheap on Amazon right now...
Finally, back on topic, making colonies is hard...or something
Finally, back on topic, making colonies is hard...or something
With that attitude it is.
Seriously, I think the harder thing would be the terraforming. The building of the colony based on what we know about how the future works with replication and all that (and I do agree with @eschaton that it is an issue that is inherent in Star Trek) really can't be all that difficult provided a little manpower. I feel as though on more than one occasion we had the Enterprise going to go and colonize a planet at the end of an episode. And next week, they were off with Worf doing something having to do with Klingon honor.
So, it can't be that hard.
I completely agree. It's kind of like the transporter. Once they invented it they had to come up with all kinds of reasons for it to be broken because it solved problems too quickly.With that attitude it is.
Seriously, I think the harder thing would be the terraforming. The building of the colony based on what we know about how the future works with replication and all that (and I do agree with @eschaton that it is an issue that is inherent in Star Trek) really can't be all that difficult provided a little manpower. I feel as though on more than one occasion we had the Enterprise going to go and colonize a planet. And next week, they were off with Worf doing something having to do with Klingon honor.
Replicators are the best invention but take out all the drama
Lets assume a human population of 10 billion in 2150, and an annual population growth of 1% (higher than the US). By 2400 human population will be 120 billion. Spread over 100 worlds that would be 1.2 billion each, probably more populus at older coreward colonies (Earth, Alpha Centauri, Deneva) and less on the fringes where we see the Enterprise on new colonies.
Seems reasonable to see colonies of under a million given the number of habitable worlds there seem to be in the trek verse.
Seems reasonable to see colonies of under a million given the number of habitable worlds there seem to be in the trek verse.
A lot of the global population died during World War III in the Trekverse. And there's no particular reason to think the population growth rate is high - or even positive - in Star Trek, given the number of childless people in Starfleet. As it is in the real world the global population will likely begin shrinking by the 22nd century.
I think a better reason for why the colonies seem so underpopulated is the main driver of migration has always been physical insecurity or material want, neither of which are a problem for humans anymore. People only migrate offworld because they have a work assignment, or they have a sense of wanderlust. So basically Starfleet personnel, scientists, and weirdos.
One more thing, then I have to go until later on in the day. I think this is actually 2400, not 2399. Despite what's been advertised. The main body of the Star Trek: Countdown comics takes place in 2385. Mars is still very much intact. But in one of the teasers or trailers (one of the early ones) they say that the attack was "15 years ago, today."
If First Contact was April 5th, then the first episode of Picard would take place on April 5th, 2400.
If First Contact was April 5th, then the first episode of Picard would take place on April 5th, 2400.
Does one of you know if there is a chance to legally watch that Shortie in Europe?
Nope. Unavailable over here.
Sure, I went really high both as a 2150 population and in growth to see how high they'd have to be to have say 200 colonies of 1 billion plus.
Thx for the answer. This is really sad, you know. I was kinda hoping that Prime might pick it up, because technically it is a prequel although some say it is only a simple appetizer...
I was thinking the same thing - given how much Bezos seems to have wanted PIC on his streaming service, I figured that maybe he'd be interested in having the corresponding Short Trek as well and use it to advertise the show even further. But, apparently not.
It would have seemed only logical to let at least precede that one particular Shortie to generate further hype for PIC. Prime simply doesn't care about Trekkies nor did Netflix when they dropped the 2nd season of DISCO without the other Shorties. Well then... I will read spoilers and look at screencaps of it. Haha
Well just to be logical and rational about the issue. This story is set based on reports near Mars. How many episodes of Trek have featured shots near Mars? I can think of two. The flashback in an episode of Voyager where we see a bunch of new ship builds, in various stages (some complete some not), and the Borg cube flyback that lasted a couple seconds in Best of Both Worlds II. For that matter how about scenes near Earth, since the the prologue of Generations, we have seen a few episodes of Voyager that told subplots on Earth; we had TNG's Conspiracy, Best of Both Worlds II, Family; we have had DS9's Homefront and Paradise Lost (Past Tense I & II were set in the past). In all but one episode of Voyager I don't recall seeing any starships at Earth. The one exception is Voyager's finale were we see several different classes of Starfleet vessels near Earth.
So out of hundreds of episodes of Trek we have almost no evidence that Starships are ever around Earth or Mars of any kind. Yet most wouldn't believe that to be a reasonable assumption.
It's like how we got a huge number (for the time) of new ships for the battle aftermath of Wolf 359. Yet we never saw any of those ships in actual service. Nor did we see any of those ships in the flashback of the battle of Wolf 359. We do see an Oberth, Ambassador, Nebula, Miranda variant and Excelsior class ship. and interesting enough there is no wreckage of any of those ships in any of the wreckage scenes from Best of Both Worlds. Nor did we ever see any of those ships again in any of the fleet shots used for various episodes of the Dominion war.
Fleet makeup will never, ever make sense based on the episodes of Trek. It's like do we assume in TOS that the only Starfleet vessel is a Constitution Class vessel?
Although both the girls have parents working on Mars, I think it's clear that the short doesn't take place on Mars. It might not even take place on Earth.
First, when they are watching the bombing of Mars on the screens, there are no sounds of explosions in the distance. It is quite clear that this is far away. It's a personal disaster for the girls, but not a physical disaster.
Second, Lil's father has apparently been away from home working on Utopia Planitia for at least two years - without coming back to see his family. That doesn't sound like being on the same planet, or even being in the same star system.
Sorry just trying to make a point based on their are hundreds of episodes of Trek why haven't we seen these ships in Berman era Trek. And just used the inner Solar System to show how little we have seen of any ship in the inner solar system.
The key issue is and always has been (and this is true for every version of Trek that has ever aired on tv and been screened at a theatre). Time and money are infinitely more impactful than design on ships, props, etc. And while Picard has a healthy budget they will still have to make choices on what is the most important thing for the story they are telling. And the Short Treks are made on a shoe string budget, normally. If an episode budget is 6 to 8 million, I can assure you the short trek that is a 5th of the length isn't budgeted at 1/5th of an episode. And the producers also don't want to give anything away from the real series, so that can also be a factor.
The key issue is and always has been (and this is true for every version of Trek that has ever aired on tv and been screened at a theatre). Time and money are infinitely more impactful than design on ships, props, etc. And while Picard has a healthy budget they will still have to make choices on what is the most important thing for the story they are telling. And the Short Treks are made on a shoe string budget, normally. If an episode budget is 6 to 8 million, I can assure you the short trek that is a 5th of the length isn't budgeted at 1/5th of an episode. And the producers also don't want to give anything away from the real series, so that can also be a factor.
i was pretty irked by the appearance of these ships and the shuttlecraft (they went through the effort to modify it, they could've gone a little further), but my assumption was basically the point you're making. also if you look at the credits, the production team isn't the picard team, it's the discovery team (tamara deverell did the sets, gersha phillips did the costumes, etc), so it might be a matter of which team was producing this and when. the picard series proper has a longer lead time, this was done quick and cheap, might explain a few things.
but hell, for all i know we'll be seeing a ton of shit like this in picard and our brains are going to explode.
Spoiler.. duh
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-...story-twist-with-a-new-short-treks-easter-egg
Synth? So.. wasn't the Rommies? interesting..
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-...story-twist-with-a-new-short-treks-easter-egg
Synth? So.. wasn't the Rommies? interesting..
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