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Spoilers The Force Awakens Vs. The Last Jedi Vs. The Rise of Skywalker

Which of the Sequel Trilogy did you like best?

  • Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens

    Votes: 24 41.4%
  • Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi

    Votes: 25 43.1%
  • Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker

    Votes: 9 15.5%

  • Total voters
    58
this article from Cracked (which has good days and bad days but is dead-on here) sums up the problem with the sequels' world building https://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-star-wars-trilogy-was-doomed-from-start/

What an informative and original article based around issues literally everyone has brought up over the last few years.

The First Order and Resistance thing is just a rehash of the Empire and the Rebellion? Truly groundbreaking criticism :rolleyes:
 
Oddly enough Man of Steel is my least favorite film because I felt it played it way too safe. The thing with the MCU films is they only look like a safe choice now they've been immensely successful. I doubt they were always considered the safe choice. Star Wars kinda took the opposite path with the sequels.
I certainly don't want to re-hash the Snyderverse Superman vs, oh, just about any other version debate, so I'll limit my "less safe" observations to the following:

  • I thoroughly applauded the decision to make Ma and Pa Kent into people who were NOT "paragons of virtue" nor "perfect parents". (totally appropriate in a post-Watergate, post-9/11 world)
  • I equally supported the decision to portray both Superman and Clark as uncertain about their (his?) respective place/role.
  • I think too many criticisms of Superman's alleged "lack of heroic perspective/mistakes he doesn't make in other versions of the story" fail to take into consideration we see him, when fighting the Kryptonians, on his first day on the job (not as a seasoned public hero). Also, the whole "alien invasion" angle (both the Kryptonians and, separately, Kal-El).
As for referring to MCU films as "too safe", I don't mean the risk of putting together such a far-flung franchise in an interlocking fashion, but rather that none of them play against type. Nothing in any of them (I've seen them all more than once) surprised me. The portrayal of Luke in TLJ, however, did surprise me. And I like that kind of "against expectations" surprise. But, as ever, YMMV.
 
TFA because it's reminds me why I love Star Wars. I was born in 1987 and I don't hold ANH in the same affinity as people older than me. Seeing a modern take on it suits me fine and it will for the kids who discovered Star Wars because of TFA. The problem was not having JJ do all 3 because why the fuck Disney thought it was a good idea to have different people handle a trilogy that is supposed to be interconnected is baffling. GL may not of directed TESB & ROTJ but he wrote them and he was in charge. This trilogy had too many cooks and the 2 year gaps instead of 3 was another HUGE mistake.

One more thing the sequel trilogy undermined the Chosen One story no matter how you spin it. I would of loved the Chosen One to refer to a name NOT a person...Skywalker. Anakin removed the Jedi Order and with his son allowed Palatine's reign to end. Ben Solo (a Skywalker) prevents the return of the Jedi Order 2.0 because they would of just repeated the same mistakes. Luke & Leia train Rey allowing her to end Palpatine once and for all and now she can start a new Jedi Order about the real balance of the Force, not just Light v Dark. Rey also adopts the name Skywalker.

The Chosen One was the Skywalker Family/Legacy and never a single person. I think they missed a chance just stating the prophecy referred to more than just a person. As the Master (Buffy) said, prophecies are tricky creatures.
 
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How about "No"?

This trilogy very much does hold together as a cohesive whole and also serves as the perfect capper to the Skywalker Saga as a whole, which is exactly what JJ Abrams wanted.
Perfect is not a word I would wave near any aspect of this trilogy, let alone this installment.
 
Perfect is not a word I would wave near any aspect of this trilogy, let alone this installment.

If you're thinking of the term "perfect" as meaning 'flawless', I can't argue with you, but when I use the term in the context I have, I'm using it to mean 'fitting' and 'just right'.

In terms of narrative and theme, TRoS could not have provided a better end to the Sequel Trilogy or to the Episodic films as a whole.
 
I found them all entertaining, and loved the first two but The Last Jedi gets my vote. It was the least predictable.
I think that TLJ has some of the best character work, and is the most engaging. In light of TROS is takes on a lot more depth and interest for me, but I hover between it and TROS.

TLJ is the least safe and I appreciate the journey it goes on.
 
That they went for the whole diversity checklist sunk these films. Do the people on this board really watch the original trilogy and think "that persom doesn't look like me. I'm not represented"???
 
That they went for the whole diversity checklist sunk these films. Do the people on this board really watch the original trilogy and think "that persom doesn't look like me. I'm not represented"???
Maybe...maybe not. This board has illustrated quite strongly to me that individuals perceive films differently. One cannot deny the lack of diversity within the OT. The films are still good, but there is always places for improvement. Making changes is not a bad thing, no matter how much it is lambasted on the Internet.

More diversity is preferred. Having it didn't "sink these films."
 
Maybe...maybe not. This board has illustrated quite strongly to me that individuals perceive films differently. One cannot deny the lack of diversity within the OT. The films are still good, but there is always places for improvement. Making changes is not a bad thing, no matter how much it is lambasted on the Internet.

More diversity is preferred. Having it didn't "sink these films."
No the original films were fine the way they are.. lack of diversity (as you put it) included. The characters are human.. (even the droids ) and the people that watch it are human./ And SW had diverse fans because of that. Not because of "respresentation" and social justice that is so last year
 
No the original films were fine the way they are.. lack of diversity (as you put it) included. The characters are human.. (even the droids ) and the people that watch it are human./ And SW had diverse fans because of that. Not because of "respresentation" and social justice that is so last year
How is it a negative though? How does having more non-white characters in the sequels make them worse movies?
 
No. But it has the potential of making these films political.. or for political reasons that lie only with today's world and how people view the studios than the film itself. Yet SW was never about that.. it was pure escapism.. a fun flashy space adventure with mythological undertones.. not modern day political ones... not about virtue signalling.

Now of course there are some politics even in the OT, as war stories all have passing politics.

But the fact now people expect their politics in these films and are more ready to be offended by either not having their political views in the film addressed at all .. or the view that is opposite of theirs.. takes the focus off the escapism
 
No. But it has the potential of making these films political.. or for political reasons that lie only with today's world and how people view the studios than the film itself. Yet SW was never about that.. it was pure escapism.. a fun flashy space adventure with mythological undertones.. not modern day political ones... not about virtue signalling.

Now of course there are some politics even in the OT, as war stories all have passing politics.

But the fact now people expect their politics in these films and are more ready to be offended by either not having their political views in the film addressed at all .. or the view that is opposite of theirs.. takes the focus off the escapism
Representative casting isn't political. People just say it is because conservatives still have a stick up their ass about it.
 
I can see the potential benefits. I mean i can see how the "female Avengers scene" in Endgame can inspire little girls. Yet I think it was distracting from an awesome scene.. a scene where the audience was looking across every pixel of the screen for the spectacle.. for their favorite heroes doing a cool thing.. and trying to say "we are all powerful women" didn't need to be driven into the viewer with a stake/ sledgehammer
 
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