Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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Is Ilum canon again? Also, the First Order had found a supply of Kyber crystals, and used them in weapons on board their ships.
The new game hints that Ilum and Starkiller Base are the same planet. It became canon when it was on Clone Wars.
Ok. Thanks for the confirmation.
Absolutely no idea if it’s canon or not. There’s always going to be a relatively easy way for future writers to put more crystals in the galaxy, but I think it would be cooler to limit them.
Have you ever read Stephen King’s Dark Tower series? There’s a set of what are basically cowboy knights way in the future after ‘the world has moved on’. There are only a very small number of working guns left, so they are reserved for these lordly ‘gunslingers’ who are trained almost from infancy to use them. Their revolvers take on iconic status because there are so few of them left and there will never be more.
I’d love any future Star Wars films to take a similar direction with lightsabers.
Which comes from the companion Visual Dictionary for this film
Yeah it was the Tantive IV for a couple years after ROTS, but was retconned because it didn't match how it looked in ANH. It was further set in stone when the Clone Wars TV showed the Tantive IV looking exactly how it appeared in ANH.
Technically its appearance in this movie is a retcon as well, as an earlier source said the Empire destroyed it (blaming it on an asteroid collision)
Ilum never became non-canon, as it appeared in the Clone Wars TV series before the EU wipe.
The Visual Dictionary for this movie apparently directly confirms that Ilum was turned into Starkiller base.
There are a few planets in the new canon that have Kyber Crystals, Illum was just the most bountiful source of them. Jedha (RIP) and Lothal also had kyber crystals.
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I wonder if Rey got her crystal from Lothal. Ilum and Jedha are both gone now. But there could be other worlds that have them.
Must be thousands of lightsabers with no owners out there too after the purge with crystals in them ready to be recycled.
Really? I thought canon said they were mostly destroyed during the Jedi purge. Even if there were thousands saved, surely they would be hidden and not readily available?
The crystals themselves likely were not. Too valuable to the Emperor, his Hands and the Inquisitors.
Ah well, maybe he decided to keep them on the 2nd Death Star. In any case, it’s easy enough to say they’re gone for any upcoming movies if you wanted to limit the number of lightsabers, but I doubt they’ll actually do that.
Have the crystals ever actually been mentioned in the movies?
Not as far as I know. But you’d have to give some explanation.
Not that I can remember, but they have been dealt with in The Clone Wars, and there's a level involving one in the game Jedi: Fallen Order.
Ok, so there are other planets with them. I realized after my last post there must still be someplace where you can find them since Rey had to get a new yellow one for her new lightsaber.
Rogue one has the line “the strongest stars have hearts of Kyber”, which I think is as close as it gets. Jyn also wears a necklace supposedly containing a Kaibur crystal but I’m not sure if it is specifically identified as such in the script.
I always figured they were powered with fat Duracells.
You power them via a hand crank that plays ‘pop goes the weasel’, just like those guns from Futurama.
I watched this movie on Friday and here are my thoughts. Overall it was not a good movie. That's not to say it was a bad movie, just not a good one... somewhere between good and bad... meh, if you will. That being said, it was much better than The Last Jedi IMHO.
The good:
The movie had heart: It seemed like Abrams was trying desperately to make a fun and exciting film which would appeal to long time SW fans as well as the general movie going audience. It really tried to tie together all the dangling plot threads from TFA and give us something good. It didn't succeed, but it certainly gave 110%.
Adam Driver: In my opinion he carried the entire trilogy and was one of the few bright spots of the three movies. A true master of his craft. Semper Fi devil dog...
Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and John Boyega: While Adam Driver gets his own bullet point, Ridley, Issac and Boyega are equally masters of their craft and had great chemistry, and that really showed in TRoS. It was clear that the sequel trilogy could have been something special. It had all the right ingredients, just the wrong recipe.
Rey was an actual character in this movie. She had doubts... she made mistakes... What a novel concept to make a human character, human.
The bad:
Quest for the mcguffin: Almost the entire movie was our heroes trying to find a thing which would lead them to another thing which led them to something else. None of it felt natural. It all felt very contrived; But I guess there really wasn't a lot to work with after TLJ.
The pacing: I really won't go into a lot of detail, only that the pacing was frantic.
Force power: The movie introduced us to at least two new force abilities. One, force healing, which technically has been used in the EU books, video games and
so I can give that a pass, but force teleport was ridiculous. Obviously the ability works across vast distances as Kylo was able to snatch the necklace from Rey despite being light years apart, so why does Kylo/Ben even bother going to Papatine's lair when he could simply force Skype Rey, tell her that he's going to force teleport a bomb to her and she has 60 seconds to get clear. I guess we're not supposed to think too much about it.
The ugly:
I got the sense from this movie that there was an overall narrative planned for the trilogy that was torpedoed by TLJ. Abrams retconned most of the plot points from TLJ to the point where that movie served no meaningful purpose other than Luke being dead. (TLJ) Rey's parents were nobody's... (TRoS) well actually the dad was Palpy's son and he was protecting Rey from evil grandpa; (TLJ) the Holdo maneuver kills the First Order fleet... (TRoS) one in a million shot. (TLJ) Luke tosses the lightsaber over his shoulder and wants nothing to do with the Jedi... (TRoS) Rey tosses the lightsaber into the burning TIE fighter and Luke catches it saying a Jedi's weapon is their life.
Really, The Rise of Skywalker essentially had to cram two movies into one, hence the frantic pacing and plot elements and characters that really don't go anywhere.
The thing is, Johnson is actually a pretty good filmmaker. Both Looper and Knives Out were good movies, so it's not like he (Johnson) was winging it with TLJ. He knows how to do characters, fashion a plot, etc... He's very, very competent. That's why I'm convinced that Rian Johnson purposely sabotaged Star Wars; Why, I'm not sure, but that's my gut. Maybe he secretly hates Abrams, George Lucas or Star Wars fans in general... I just don't know...
The good:
The movie had heart: It seemed like Abrams was trying desperately to make a fun and exciting film which would appeal to long time SW fans as well as the general movie going audience. It really tried to tie together all the dangling plot threads from TFA and give us something good. It didn't succeed, but it certainly gave 110%.
Adam Driver: In my opinion he carried the entire trilogy and was one of the few bright spots of the three movies. A true master of his craft. Semper Fi devil dog...
Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and John Boyega: While Adam Driver gets his own bullet point, Ridley, Issac and Boyega are equally masters of their craft and had great chemistry, and that really showed in TRoS. It was clear that the sequel trilogy could have been something special. It had all the right ingredients, just the wrong recipe.
Rey was an actual character in this movie. She had doubts... she made mistakes... What a novel concept to make a human character, human.
The bad:
Quest for the mcguffin: Almost the entire movie was our heroes trying to find a thing which would lead them to another thing which led them to something else. None of it felt natural. It all felt very contrived; But I guess there really wasn't a lot to work with after TLJ.
The pacing: I really won't go into a lot of detail, only that the pacing was frantic.
Force power: The movie introduced us to at least two new force abilities. One, force healing, which technically has been used in the EU books, video games and
the Mandalorian
The ugly:
I got the sense from this movie that there was an overall narrative planned for the trilogy that was torpedoed by TLJ. Abrams retconned most of the plot points from TLJ to the point where that movie served no meaningful purpose other than Luke being dead. (TLJ) Rey's parents were nobody's... (TRoS) well actually the dad was Palpy's son and he was protecting Rey from evil grandpa; (TLJ) the Holdo maneuver kills the First Order fleet... (TRoS) one in a million shot. (TLJ) Luke tosses the lightsaber over his shoulder and wants nothing to do with the Jedi... (TRoS) Rey tosses the lightsaber into the burning TIE fighter and Luke catches it saying a Jedi's weapon is their life.
Really, The Rise of Skywalker essentially had to cram two movies into one, hence the frantic pacing and plot elements and characters that really don't go anywhere.
The thing is, Johnson is actually a pretty good filmmaker. Both Looper and Knives Out were good movies, so it's not like he (Johnson) was winging it with TLJ. He knows how to do characters, fashion a plot, etc... He's very, very competent. That's why I'm convinced that Rian Johnson purposely sabotaged Star Wars; Why, I'm not sure, but that's my gut. Maybe he secretly hates Abrams, George Lucas or Star Wars fans in general... I just don't know...
I dont think he did it on purpose.
I think Rian was just the wrong man for the wrong franchise. He just didn't "get" starwars.
He would of been better off making a star trek film or even his own sifi franchise.
