There are. Every movie has plot holes and take narrative shortcuts. Not all movies are picked apart the way franchise films are. Most movies the audience is one and done with.
Part of the fun of being a fan, it working out how it works.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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There are. Every movie has plot holes and take narrative shortcuts. Not all movies are picked apart the way franchise films are. Most movies the audience is one and done with.
Part of the fun of being a fan, it working out how it works.
Your lack of understanding isn’t a flaw of the movie.
Luke did blow up the Death Star, but that's really only portrayed as the Force helping with skills he's already developed. As you said, the same is true of Rey and her use of a lightsaber.
But then prior to training Luke just barely managed to sum up the power to retrieve his lightsaber when it was lying just a tiny bit beyond reach. Off the top of my head, Rey is able to use the Jedi mind trick, retrieve the lightsaber even when Kylo is also trying for it, and resist Kylo's mindreading right in the first movie. She also only beat Kylo after she did the quick 'one with the Force' thing. Before that he was winning handily despite his injury; after that she easily overpowered him.
Again, I like all that and think it worked both for the character and the style of movie JJ was going for, but can't say I don't see it as inconsistent.
I'm talking about before either of them received formal training.
Well, to be fair, Rey was fighting an old injured man who had just single-handedly disabled the entire Resistance fleet with his fingers. So it was a bit more impressive than what you're suggesting.
I just watched A New Hope today. Luke is every bit the "Mary Sue" Rey is. Five minutes after learning about the Force, he is deflecting blasts from a floating droid blind-folded.
Both moved a lightsaber, one just happened to be closer. Plus given how the lightsaber was calling to her and the Kyber crystal is tuned to the Force you could argue it was as much the lightsaber as it was Rey reaching out for it.
Are you talking about The Rise of Skywalker? She had been receiving training for years at that point from Leia, who we see is also a Jedi.
I don't think either of them are Mary Sues! Those deflects seem pretty minor compared to everything that Rey does, and they're a very fleeting use of his abilities. Just that 'first step', and only discovered when he's being trained (albeit briedly) by another Jedi.
He's deflecting something blind-folded that is traveling really fast as lasers travel at the speed of light. To me, that is pretty fucking impressive for five minutes of training.
Luke was shown really having to concentrate to make that happen, and he didn't have another way more experienced Force user trying to get it at the same time. He'd also had all the time between ANH and ESB to practice by himself. Not the same as training, but considerably more than Rey got.
Well, we're in the Rise of Skywalker thread, so I thought that's what the reference was.
Well, they don't travel at the speed of light because we can see them move. He says he felt something for a second (or moment?, and it's when he's very briefly able to 'let go his conscious self'. In contrast, Rey is very active with her use of the Force.
Which makes no sense. He didn't have anything to train with.
What does he need? Not sure why Luke trying to develop his skills alone makes no sense.
The comics have gone into how he trained. He found some books left to him by Obi-Wan.
That isn't in the films though. So from my perspective, he simply "figured out" the Force.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying Rey is portrayed as 'more powerful' than Luke. I just think JJ decided to give Jedi access to their powers faster than in previous movies, which works well in TFA. I think it's comparable to Kirk getting the captain's chair at the end of JJ's Star Trek.
Rey has grown up living by her instincts. She uses the Force exactly how Obi-Wan states to do so.
Luke has to unlearn his own preconceptions regarding how the world works. As Obi-Wan would say, "You've taken your first step in to the larger world."
It’s not really important to the story.
So why can't he practice alone? He could have been trying out what Ben was able to tell him. The scene in the ice cave seems to suggest that's exactly what he's been doing.
