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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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Agree a lot with what you said about the lightsaber fights, though I liked Luke vs. Vader in ROTJ a lot. It really showed Luke's growth compared to TESB. One (of many) things I thought could've been done in TROS was have Ren finish his lightsaber. Despite not liking the crossguard design, it remained a poorly working lightsaber from TFA. It would've been a nice visual way to show his growth. In TLJ we saw he had a Jedi lightsaber, so I'm assuming he knew how to build a normal working lightsaber so why didn't he do that in TROS? I can accept that the flashback scene with Ben's lightsaber was a Rian Johnson flourish and might have gone differently if Abrams had done Episode VIII.
The instability in Kylo's lightsaber isn't because of the saber itself, it's because his Kyber crystal is damaged, and I'm not sure if that's something that can be fixed. It's also way it has the crossguard design, the sides are to vent extra heat the crystal generates.
So, basically the Skywalker saga is going to continue, and will likely involve a new trilogy in the future.
No it will not. The Skywalker Saga is the specific story arc focused on the Skywalker family, and that arc is done. Obviously we can't guarantee someone won't decide to go back to it, but as far as everyone currently involved in the franchise is concerned, it's done.
Just because something is connected to the Skywalker Saga does not mean it is part of the saga.
 
The Skywalker Saga is the specific story arc focused on the Skywalker family, and that arc is done.

Yeah. We all were convinced Spock's arc was done as well. Then, lo and behold, he had a secret sister we never knew about.

I don't understand why folks believe everything said about this stuff that comes out of Hollywood. Hollywood has always went where the money is at. In five to ten years, the money will be in another Skywalker trilogy.
 
Yeah. We all were convinced Spock's arc was done as well. Then, lo and behold, he had a secret sister we never knew about.

I don't understand why folks believe everything said about this stuff that comes out of Hollywood. Hollywood has always went where the money is at. In five to ten years, the money will be in another Skywalker trilogy.

Yes. Of course the saga will take on another permutation at that point. I'd like to point out that the opening titles never say "The Skywalker Saga," even in light of this branding nor did it say "The Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker" when it was called that. It is just simply Star Wars. We will, at some point, at least see an Episode X, if not an entire trilogy.
 
Don't get me wrong I still love the prequel duels, especially TPM, but there's something a bit more realistic about the duels in TFA and TROS. It's mainly advances in technology, camerawork and sound really. I don't think the choreography is particularly better.
Let me clarify. I do enjoy the PT duels to a certain point. But, they do not feel dangerous. They are beautiful spectacle, and beautiful visual design work, and traveling from environment to environment. However, as you state, they feel more realistic. They feel more dangerous, the choreography feels more grounded. Now, mileage will vary, since many will state that these films are fantastical in their elements. But, I think the more grounded choreography helps me with the more fantastical elements.
 
oh well. I just read it and re-read it.. and he didn't say that.. he didn't imply it.. you set up a strawman. It's just you feeling a bit insecure about an opinion that didn't fit with what you believe. Please quote the part where he says that white men are the most powerful form of humanity etc?
Yeah I’m 100% sure I’m not the insecure one here thanks :lol:

Your boy is the one holding white males up as the standard to be compared to and is upset that a female has been portrayed as stronger, not me bud. That’s a very strange flex
 
Yeah I’m 100% sure I’m not the insecure one here thanks :lol:

Your boy is the one holding white males up as the standard to be compared to and is upset that a female has been portrayed as stronger, not me bud. That’s a very strange flex
but he is not even doing that.. you just feel safe accusing him of doing that
 
but he is not even doing that.. you just feel safe accusing him of doing that
This is what the other poster said:
"Here we see not just a strong female lead, but that she's stronger than every character that ever existed, and notably, all the white males. When writers weaken white males to make their woman strong, and behind the scenes wear shirts like "the Force is female," that's when it gets woke. (bolded for emphasis)."

I get that you don't agree, but at least argue from good faith. Because, with due respect to the original poster, this is a post in missing the point of the entire Trilogy.

You may no go back to your originally scheduled Internet argument.
 
Ev ef n sti
This is what the other poster said:
"Here we see not just a strong female lead, but that she's stronger than every character that ever existed, and notably, all the white males. When writers weaken white males to make their woman strong, and behind the scenes wear shirts like "the Force is female," that's when it gets woke. (bolded for emphasis)."

I get that you don't agree, but at least argue from good faith. Because, with due respect to the original poster, this is a post in missing the point of the entire Trilogy.

You may no go back to your originally scheduled Internet argument.
you are making it sound mutually exclusive.. or that it has to be that way. What he is likely saying is that they are making the males look weak in the same piece of media where the females have to loom stronger than them or more correct than them. in the past, you can have a strong character like Sarah Connor, Lindsey Brigman, or Ellen Ripley, and you don't have to make the males in the same story weaker to do it.. or dumber, or obviously lesser than them to do it. You can have strong characters all around..

Why does Finn have to look like a total buffoon, especially next to Rose? Why does Luke, a Jedi master have to lose to Rey, or be corrected by her? Why does Poie need to be talked down to by Holdo?
 
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Huh.. Ignoring the white male woke bs..
I think back to a movie.. Round 1986.. Featuring a kick ass female... May have heard of her.. Ellen Ripley.. :vulcan:
 
The people complaining about Rey being too strong do not understand Star Wars. The Force isn’t a power you have, it’s a power you access. Some of it is instinctual but it’s raw and untapped. You see this with Baby Yoda. With training and learning, one can weld it with greater control. Rey is stronger than Kylo because she spent the time to learn while Kylo turned to the Dark Side because it’s faster but he isn’t as successful because he’s too distracted by his own anger and confusion. Kylo spends his time killing and trying to be the Supreme Commander, Rey trained and studied the ancient Jedi texts. She’s also able to clear her mind while he has to make himself angry. Kylo could be as strong as Anakin or Luke if he tried to be. Getting mad over Rey is like getting mad over someone studying for a test doing better than someone who didn’t and let’s not hide it, an awful lot of the hatred of Rey is plain old sexism combined with not understanding the series. Go watch the fucking movies and then go develop empathy.
 
The people complaining about Rey being too strong do not understand Star Wars. The Force isn’t a power you have, it’s a power you access. Some of it is instinctual but it’s raw and untapped. You see this with Baby Yoda. With training and learning, one can weld it with greater control. Rey is stronger than Kylo because she spent the time to learn while Kylo turned to the Dark Side because it’s faster but he isn’t as successful because he’s too distracted by his own anger and confusion. Kylo spends his time killing and trying to be the Supreme Commander, Rey trained and studied the ancient Jedi texts. She’s also able to clear her mind while he has to make himself angry. Kylo could be as strong as Anakin or Luke if he tried to be. Getting mad over Rey is like getting mad over someone studying for a test doing better than someone who didn’t and let’s not hide it, an awful lot of the hatred of Rey is plain old sexism combined with not understanding the series. Go watch the fucking movies and then go develop empathy.

Or possibly writers change the Force to suit their stories?

In the prequels, it's apparently something you start almost as soon as possible, and Anakin was still learning even as a young man in AOTC ten years after starting. Luke's formal training only lasted a matter of weeks or months, then we can assume he honed his understanding and developed his power alone in the relatively short time between ESB and ROTJ, when he returns noticably stronger. Rey pics up the Force even faster than that. She's able to do everything from the mind trick to telekinesis right away.

I agree that it's ridiculous to get annoyed over these changes. I'm all for them because they each work well in their own trilogy. Rey using those Force powers right away is honestly one of my favorite changes because it really suits JJ's style. However, I also think it's ridiculous to say the Force is portrayed consistently between trilogies.
 
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