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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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Yeah. We all were convinced Spock's arc was done as well. Then, lo and behold, he had a secret sister we never knew about.

I don't understand why folks believe everything said about this stuff that comes out of Hollywood. Hollywood has always went where the money is at. In five to ten years, the money will be in another Skywalker trilogy.
Well yeah, obviously they could change their minds, but all I'm saying is that the plan at the moment is for this to be the end. I just don't that shouldn't go on expecting to see episode X for quite a few years at least. With them making such a big deal out of this being the end of the Skywalker Saga, I'm pretty confident that they are going to stick to that plan for the foreseeable future.
 
you are making it sound mutually exclusive.. or that it has to be that way.
Nope. Not saying that at all.
Why does Finn have to look like a total buffoon, especially next to Rose? Why does Luke, a Jedi master have to lose to Rey, or be corrected by her? Why does Poie need to be talked down to by Holdo?
Finn stumbles his way through a lot. He looks like a buffoon next to Poe and Han too, but I don't see people complaining about that.

Luke is depressed and is not open to learning anything else. He doesn't loose to Rey, as he clearly wasn't trying, until she pushed him too far. And, ultimately, he isn't corrected by Rey but by Yoda.

Poe needs a talking down because he is an arrogant jerk who thinks he knows it all. Also, he gets corrected by Leia as well. Where are the complaints around that?

Ultimately, it comes down to engagement with the characters, which has been repeatedly demonstrated as lacking among those who do not enjoy the films. And doesn't change the fact that the original poster called out white males specifically in his irritation at strong females. It's absurd, and the point that the original argument made it include white males specifically even though that is a ridiculous position to take, that white males somehow must always look better or equal to a strong female. So @Santa Cruise is quite correct in his assertion that the original poster made it a strange racist argument centered around white males.
 
Or possibly writers change the Force to suit their stories?

In the prequels, it's apparently something you start almost as soon as possible, and Anakin was still learning even as a young man in AOTC ten years after starting. Luke's formal training only lasted a matter of weeks or months, then we can assume he honed his understanding and developed his power alone in the relatively short time between ESB and ROTJ, when he returns noticably stronger. Rey pics up the Force even faster than that. She's able to do everything from the mind trick to telekinesis right away.

I agree that it's ridiculous to get annoyed over these changes. I'm all for them because they each work well in their own trilogy. Rey using those Force powers right away is honestly one of my favorite changes because it really suits JJ's style. However, I also think it's ridiculous to say the Force is portrayed consistently between trilogies.
She’s no more powerful than Luke when he starts. As for Anakin’s training, it seemed more about drilling in the Jedi’s rules and ways of learning the Force. The Force exists without the Sith or Jedi and we’ve seen other groups who use it. It also seeks balance above all else. This is why Luke was so powerful and why Rey was so powerful. The Force needed balance and they were the ones who were most open to it. It didn’t matter who their ancestors were, that’s purely coincidence. They don’t have powerful blood, they just happened to be where the Force could use them. Luke learned Vader was his father because that was the absolute worst thing he could learn and the same goes for Rey with Palpatine as her grandfather. If anything the Force using Rey to defeat the one who was throwing it off balance for so long is poetic justice.

She's too strong, and as a character she is just not interesting enough.
According to you and that’s just your opinion and yours alone. It isn’t based on fact or anything other than your feelings. Others happen to like her and they aren’t wrong for liking her. Maybe Star Wars just isn’t for you.
 
Finn stumbles his way through a lot. He looks like a buffoon next to Poe and Han too, but I don't see people complaining about that.
"raises hand* the fact that Finn is a bubbling imbecile has been my biggest complaint about the character ever since the start. Jar-Jar minus the slapstick, in my humble opinion.
Poe needs a talking down because he is an arrogant jerk who thinks he knows it all. Also, he gets corrected by Leia as well. Where are the complaints around that?
Raises hand again.

Poe's stupidity was my second biggest complaint about TLJ, just behind my dislike of the pointless Canto Bight arc.
 
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"raises hand* the fact that Finn is a bubbling in the soul has been my biggest complaint about the character ever since the start. Jar-Jar minus the slapstick, in my humble opinion.
Fair enough. More to my point was that he isn't that way just with Rose.

I don't have too much issue with him but mileage will vary.
Raises hand again.

Poe's stupidity was my second biggest complaint about TLJ, just behind my dislike of the pointless Canto Bight arc.
Again, agree to disagree. Poe was arrogant and full of himself. "Pride goes before a fall" and all that. Again, the point is that he deserved the correction, from both Holdo and Leia.
 
Honestly if you’re constantly concerned with women appearing stronger than men in fiction, especially when she’s the main character and the other Force users are villains. I feel it reveals a deep insecurity and issues with inferiority.

Finn is Force sensitive, but hasn’t received any training yet. He’s not going to be as strong as Rey yet, but with training he could be. I’d honestly love to see this developed as he becomes a Jedi.

I really don’t get the obsession with Poe getting chewed out by a superior officer. If you screw up in the military you get chewed out. Doesn’t matter if that superior a woman or not, she has a higher rank and that’s how shit works. People in charge of you are in charge of you, regardless of their gender.
 
Agreed. I thought that Rey was easily the best part of the new trilogy.
Same here.
I really don’t get the obsession with Poe getting chewed out by a superior officer. If you screw up in the military you get chewed out. Doesn’t matter if that superior a woman or not, she has a higher rank and that’s how shit works. People in charge of you are in charge of you, regardless of their gender.
Same here. He got an entire squadron killed. It's absurd that people expect him to just walk that one off with no comment.
She’s my favorite character after Luke and Luke is only first because he’s been that since I was four.
I think Rey is one of the best parts, next to Luke (same as you, Luke is my favorite character) and Finn.
 
Absolutely. I keep wanting to say Kylo, but then I realize that's due to Adam Driver's insanely good portrayal of him.

Driver is a really good actor, though it took him a bit to grow into the Kylo Ren role. He was really good in BlacKKKlansman.
 
Come on. She absolutely is, or there's at least a very strong argument that's the case.
Luke blow up the Death Star without a computer which should have been impossible. Rey held her own against an injured man driven entirely by rage. This is after we’re shown that she’s learned to defend herself, that’s what her staff is for. It’s a weapon and it makes sense that she can use another weapon in a similar way.

Yeah, isn't that what training is?
Rey got as much training as Luke and we actually got to see that she was training with Leia for at least a year. The comics have shown the Luke was training between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. You’re trying to make her a special case when she’s capable to what we saw with Luke. It’s different because you claim it is.
 
I really don’t get the obsession with Poe getting chewed out by a superior officer. If you screw up in the military you get chewed out. Doesn’t matter if that superior a woman or not, she has a higher rank and that’s how shit works. People in charge of you are in charge of you, regardless of their gender.
Exactly. Holdo was 100% in the right. Poe is lucky that a chewing out is all that Holdo gave him. At the very, very least he should have been thrown into the brig. The only part with Poe in TLJ that got a cheer out of me was when Leia stunned his worthless ass.
 
There was so many holes in this movie you wonder how it could still fly

Is it just me or was there not many scenes with Adam Driver? Was he busy with "Marriage Story"? and that Amazon Prime movie? The first order meeting looked like he just voiced Kylo Ren.

Then he just transfers his life force into Rey and a few moments later fades away. I was thinking he should have shown up at the end with Luke and Leia

So are they planning a spinoff with Lando and that former female stormtrooper? Somehow I feel like there was some loose ends.

Why did Finn "feel" Rey dying?

Palpatine having a son and in turn a family was completely bogus and of nowhere.

I would have put some sort of revelation in "The Last Jedi" so that this wasn't so rushed. It's like Darth Vader telling Luke he is his father during the lightsaber battle in ROTJ.

Who's the son of Palpatine? What's his name? Why is he good? How is he good?

You would assume Palpatine would train his son to be evil right after he's born but nope. Palpatine's son seemed like a regular person.

In most media like the Clone Wars or prequels there's no mention of Palpatine being a father.
 
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