How many fights did she lose
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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How many fights did she lose
Relevence?
Exactly.
A+. Not perfect, mind, but a vast improvement over both previous episodes. And, most importantly, I felt things, bittersweet, joyous, sad. In contrast with the previous two films, I look forward to seeing it again, multiple times. I don't understand the issues people are having with it, or why people think certain things are silly (as if there haven't been silly things all along from the get-go).
I was almost unspoiled going in. I knew only that Ben wouldn't make it, and that Palpatine was still alive.
The rest of the surprises, wow. I was so happy to see Han, Luke, and Leia one more time.
I was glad that at least a suggestion of the explanation for how Finn turned was given. I was critical of TFA for setting up a scenario that made it improbable for stormtroopers to break free of conditioning, without addressing the reason for Finn breaking free out loud. Finn's belief that it was the Force awakening him fits, both thematically and the plot points as they were spelled out, and deserved explicit mention.
One of my favorite moments was the flashback scene of Leia training with Luke. The reveal of their young faces when they took their helmets off was perfect.
Despite leaving a lot out—when haven't SW films been sketchy regarding the history of the Sith—I was pleased that there were at least enough pieces given to suggest a plausible picture of how Palpatine survived ROTJ. I would speculate that the fused life force of Sith masters that Palpatine had hoped would enter Rey had found one of his clones. Snoke was adequately and efficiently explained, too. He really was an instrument of the Sith, after all, while before he was thought to be post-Sith.
Each Final Order Star Destroyer had a planet killer, wow.
OK, the bit about the Star Destroyers needing the navigation tower to take off was stupid, but I care not. If the lead Star Destroyer they were assaulting had just rolled over, the boarding party would have been toast, but maybe that was a move it couldn't easily do or maybe it would have screwed up the navigation signal or wrecked its artificial gravity system (whatever; don't care).
In terms of the theme of the sins of the father [cf Exodus 20:5, "to the third and fourth generation"], Rey's burden was heavier than Luke's. Some people bitched and moaned about not having an explanation of Rey's miraculous abilities, well, here's your explanation, and it should make perfect sense. Overcoming the sins of the father is an essential theme of the OT, with the whole raison d'être of the PT being to set that up, so it's fitting for that theme to figure into the ST as the Skywalker saga is closed out. Who better than Luke and Leia for Rey to learn from in preparation for facing that burden? It would seem that "the rise of Skywalker" is the overcoming of the cloud of the past, and being a good person going forward despite circumstance and past evil, both ancestral and personal.
So many beats I cannot mention. One that particularly stood out was that Luke got to lift his X-wing out of the drink, and he did it while dead. Yoda would be proud. I heard Ahsoka's voice in the voices of the Jedi there to back up Rey. Was it necessary to actually show Chewie getting a medal? Don't care, loved it.
I was almost unspoiled going in. I knew only that Ben wouldn't make it, and that Palpatine was still alive.
The rest of the surprises, wow. I was so happy to see Han, Luke, and Leia one more time.
I was glad that at least a suggestion of the explanation for how Finn turned was given. I was critical of TFA for setting up a scenario that made it improbable for stormtroopers to break free of conditioning, without addressing the reason for Finn breaking free out loud. Finn's belief that it was the Force awakening him fits, both thematically and the plot points as they were spelled out, and deserved explicit mention.
One of my favorite moments was the flashback scene of Leia training with Luke. The reveal of their young faces when they took their helmets off was perfect.
Despite leaving a lot out—when haven't SW films been sketchy regarding the history of the Sith—I was pleased that there were at least enough pieces given to suggest a plausible picture of how Palpatine survived ROTJ. I would speculate that the fused life force of Sith masters that Palpatine had hoped would enter Rey had found one of his clones. Snoke was adequately and efficiently explained, too. He really was an instrument of the Sith, after all, while before he was thought to be post-Sith.
Each Final Order Star Destroyer had a planet killer, wow.
OK, the bit about the Star Destroyers needing the navigation tower to take off was stupid, but I care not. If the lead Star Destroyer they were assaulting had just rolled over, the boarding party would have been toast, but maybe that was a move it couldn't easily do or maybe it would have screwed up the navigation signal or wrecked its artificial gravity system (whatever; don't care).
In terms of the theme of the sins of the father [cf Exodus 20:5, "to the third and fourth generation"], Rey's burden was heavier than Luke's. Some people bitched and moaned about not having an explanation of Rey's miraculous abilities, well, here's your explanation, and it should make perfect sense. Overcoming the sins of the father is an essential theme of the OT, with the whole raison d'être of the PT being to set that up, so it's fitting for that theme to figure into the ST as the Skywalker saga is closed out. Who better than Luke and Leia for Rey to learn from in preparation for facing that burden? It would seem that "the rise of Skywalker" is the overcoming of the cloud of the past, and being a good person going forward despite circumstance and past evil, both ancestral and personal.
So many beats I cannot mention. One that particularly stood out was that Luke got to lift his X-wing out of the drink, and he did it while dead. Yoda would be proud. I heard Ahsoka's voice in the voices of the Jedi there to back up Rey. Was it necessary to actually show Chewie getting a medal? Don't care, loved it.
Answer the question.
Not that I can recall? Again, relevence? As Ichab stated, anybody with an ounce of discipline could take out Kylo/Darth Emo.
And let's not forget that her first duel with Kylo was only fought to a draw while Kylo was severely injured from a blast from Chewie's bowcaster, a weapon that the movie went out of its way to establish as being more powerful than a blaster.
Rey has been trained.
Her winning now is a testiment to the hard work she has put in.
It's funny that her surrogate mommy and daddy are brother and sister.
Her winning now is a testiment to the hard work she has put in.
It's funny that her surrogate mommy and daddy are brother and sister.
But would they actually be genetically related? Palpatine never actually had sex with Shmi, so there might not be any genes being passed on from him.
I really am quite amused by this whole connection of the families. So much of it reminds me of Dune and the noble families fighting.
Also, super weapons should come to no surprise or consternation of those familiar with the franchise, between Lucas conceiving of two or three Death Stars in ROTJ, the Sun Crusher, and the Galaxy Gun, among others.
https://overmental.com/content/the-...-from-the-death-star-to-starkiller-base-39832
Ugh, this argument. We have a whole thread on the matter...can we take it there? Not that it will make much of a difference...
ETA: Clarification on the expectation of superweapon thing.
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Palpatine is not Anakin's father. Matt Martin from the Story Group confirmed this on twitter:
Posting an image instead of a direct link because the tweet he's responding to has been deleted for some reason.
I think you meant to say "should NOT come to the surprise..."
Ugh, this argument. We have a whole thread on the matter...can we take it there? Not that it will make much of a difference...
Agreed. Apologies.
But that isn't to say that Palpatine wasn't responsible. I agree that Rey doesn't have Skywalker blood, but Palpatine was demonstrably (and canonicaly) responsible for Anakin's conception.[/QUOTE]Palpatine is not Anakin's father. Matt Martin from the Story Group confirmed this on twitter:
Posting an image instead of a direct link because the tweet he's responding to has been deleted for some reason.
He wasn't.
According to canonical sources, he was. Published canonical material has more sway than anything that anybody on this board wants to believe. The tweet you posted said that Palpatine wasn't "the father". I agree that he wasn't. The midi-chlorians, or the Force if you will, was the father. But it was the Sheevster that manipulated the midi-chlorians for that to happen. Canon.
Nothing in the canon has said he was involved with the creation of Anakin in anyway.
I still like the theory even though they've shot it down, but my point was mostly that Rey and Luke are not in any way siblings, even if the theory that Palpatine created Anakin was true.Palpatine is not Anakin's father. Matt Martin from the Story Group confirmed this on twitter:
Posting an image instead of a direct link because the tweet he's responding to has been deleted for some reason.
