Well, they weren’t. So there’s no need to do so.
Wonder Woman 2 Anticipation Thread
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Which Marvel villains are significantly worse?
Someday Kevin Feige will get the Irving Thalberg Award or some other "thank you" trophy.
They were as "weak" as Iron Monger, Red Skull, Ronan, Ultron, etc.
Because for the most part they weren't, even if I've seen many places where they are excoriated. Although its nice to see the rare someone out there who realizes that Waller was the actual bad guy in Suicide Squad and not Enchantress (who was a plot device, really) as most seem to believe.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, insightful or not.
They were as "weak" as most of the MCU villains are accused of being. And I dare you to prove they aren't.
Prove?! What kind of measurements do you suggest? The strength of a character is a matter of opinion, not of fact, and an objective judgement can only be achieved by consensus. And if you can't find enough voices calling the mentioned villains weak, guess what, then the consensus appears to be that they're not.
Yes, prove. Tell me what was more compelling about those characters than the supposed "weak" MCU villains.
The movies they were all part of were in general called weak, except for WW, and even then the statements about Ares are about how silly and out of place he felt and how he messed up the message of the movie.
How?
How did it 'adhere to the Marvel model'? It was a well-executed action/adventure movie with a really warm heart, some good laughs, and some really poignant themes.
Someday Kevin Feige will get the Irving Thalberg Award or some other "thank you" trophy.
I don't see what's so funny. Kevin Feige has accomplished what no one else in cinematic history has - crafting a story across 20+ movies and bringing it to a satisfying conclusion. Are you denying that?
The movie tries to say that Ares had nothing to do with anything and men won't stop fighting if he dies. Then he DOES show up, reveal that he influenced the humans into wars and gave them the know-how to develop the weapons to continue the wars and as soon as he dies we see the soldiers give up fighting and embrace one another like they've been freed from his influence.
He's denying he made anything worthwhile because none of it was "grounded" and the characters wore costumes and the villains aren't the real stars of the movies.
You seem to have trouble reading subtext of film. Ares is the embodiment of war. Of course, he would show up, because war begets war. Even the ancient Greeks knew that their god's weren't simply guys and gals who could throw lightning bolts, but were expressions of ideas. And what do you think the general reaction is when a war is over? I can see this because I watch what films are doing on more than one level.
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Which is why he's probably deserving of an Irving Thalberg award. But there's a reason his films don't win major awards. For the same reason popcorn drenched in melted butter doesn't win five stars in the Micheline guide.
What in my little joke gave you that impression? It's the sort of thing that gives you "thank you" awards but not "artistic" awards.
Ah yes, the constant excuse of the pretentious. If the message was about Diana being wrong on her ideas of the nature of man, they should've left Ares out of it entirely. Keeping him screws with that.
It's like the folks who say that War Machine should've died in Civil War. They ignore that the audience would've immediately abandoned sympathy for Steve's side and gone for Tony since he lost someone due to the conflict.
Because they don't use the Oscar Bait approach and openly mock Academy constraints.
Yawn.
It's not at all pretentious to see if there are more levels to a piece of entertainment than what's just at the surface. As they say, the unexamined life is not worth living.
But I agree with your second paragraph. War Machine's injury and death, if it had occured, would have rested fully on the villain of the movie, which was Tony Stark. War Machine needed to survive so that the permanently crippling injury he got could be made out as no big deal and let Tony would get a pass from the audience after he spent the film blaming others for his own failings, using Peter Parker as a child soldier, imprisoning his friends because they were actually trying to be heroes or you know, not accepting the binary choice of being his indentured servants or accept permanent incarceration , and attempting to murder a victim of brainwashing.
And yes, Marvel has used the Oscar Bait approach as you call it, see: Black Panther.
Jesus, not this circular garbage again.
My comment was directed at TREK_GOD_1, not you. I agree with you that the Thalberg award is the type of award Feige will receive.
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