Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

[TREK_GOD_1]

Supergirl
Season 5 / Episode 8 - "The Wrath of Rama Khan"

SG/Kara: SG - Aside from her conning herself that Lena is the equivalent of a wayward child, the shot of her looking at the Lena photo juxtaposed with Lena doing the same is not what it appears to be, as Lena--based on al she's said this season--can blame SG for her failures.

Lena / Eve: Project Non Nocere. Mm-hm. "First, do no harm" as in a eugenics program designed to force that into the minds of an entire species, and she thinks she's one of the "good guys.". Charles Davenport would be proud.

How nice of Lena to "allow" her puppet Eve to set herself up / take the fall. Well, that's not uncommon for a good villain.

Lex also thinks he's always been a hero (historically, evil people--particularly those in leadership positions usually believed that) but he has plans for Lena. I would love to see him give her a chance to live up to her familial potential, knowing he cannot trust her.

One can guess an unrealistic "redemption" arc will have Lena use a modified version of the Project against one or more of the Crisis threat, but its still a eugenics program and does not erase her natural beliefs or intent.

Leviathans / Rojas: Rama Khan's so shortchanged in this arc; a character of this kind needed far more than shadowy references a season back, only to show up in person for a couple of quickie appearances, and defeat. If he's supposed to play a larger role, one would never guess that based on the way he was used here..

Rojas being teary-eyed about Russel lacks any emotional punch; its one thing to show a series of flashbacks about a supposed romantic history, but its another to take tome to show that it had weight and is not just a springboard for the next chapter for the Rojas character. At this point, she's (or the showrunners) are all but bullhorn-ing the idea that she cares/is not evil, etc., but she's not developed enough for anyone to care.

J'onn: The only interesting moment for tis character was the implications of his being used by the Monitor...and how he will respond once he sees Lex alive, well and also conscripted for the crisis. He will be too busy to have master plans to watch and/or deal with Lex if he should "do his thing"

NOTES: Ohhh...the FX...

GRADE: C+.

 

[Kirk Prime]

I think this episode puts into question not just the morals of Supergirl, but those of the writers that came up with this idea.

I honestly don't know if they believe that Lena is entirely wrong, based on how they wrote Kara in this episode.

Lena isn't someone with good intentions. She is pure evil. The idea that she is playing god is one of the most evil things she can do. She is trying to "incept" people into following HER beliefs. HER desires. Who made her morals the right ones?

Even if her morals are right, to take away people's freedoms, even to make mistakes, is as evil as it gets.

Again, and the show doesn't touch on this, what Lena did to Eve is an absolute atrocious act that alone, should put her in jail for life.

About the one thing the show got right was have Alex list Lena's crimes and lies.

Let's put it out there. Lena is no better than Lex. Maybe the biggest difference is that she actually has Kara blinded to her true nature.

But that's a big problem when the show is called Supergirl. Supergirl is supposed to know right from wrong, and her blindness to Lena and excuses show an extreme mental weakness.

It's nice that Lena won't cross the line and kill her, but that doesn't change that Lena is certifiably insane and Kara should use everything in her power to stop her.

Alex was right.

Lena is not redeemable at this point, and it would be extremely poor writing to make that happen and have them all pals again by next Thanksgiving.

As for Eve, having Eve take the blame is another example of Lena's crimes. Eve didn't take the blame--Lena's robot who stole Eve's body took the blame. And how weak was the writing that the FBI bought it? And that Supergirl and the DEO just allowed without protest Lena to walk?

Jonn's brother's redemption was the better story. There were issues with his brain.

And that is really the only path to redemption for Lena--that somehow someone was controlling her. It would be ironic given all the things Lena has done, but ultimately that might be a cop out.

I think Supergirl should just accept that Lena is evil, and the writers should make her a female Lex.

But it is a bit questionable that the writers did not bother to discuss the immorality of what Lena did.

 

[Christopher]

I'm finding Leviathan rather weak as a villain-of-the-year. All that stuff about Rama Khan being behind all those disasters (and treating "Noah's Flood" as a historical event) is quite silly, and he's a one-dimensional character who's profoundly uninteresting as an antagonist. Also, why is he blaming humans for the Earth's ills when three of the past four annual global disasters have been caused by aliens? If Leviathan's purpose is "defending the Earth," where the hell were they for the past four years?

Also, I don't think tar pits have anything to do with volcanoes. And a supervolcano on the West Coast... I'm not sure that makes geological sense. Even aside from the coincidence that it just happens to be in National City.

I'm disappointed that Kara wasn't able to get through to Lena, but it's nice that they were able to redeem Malefic. I find it totally unbelievable that the FBI was fooled by Eve/Hope's "It was me all along" confession. I mean, why would she confess to that so readily if it were true? It was a deeply obvious attempt to take the blame for Lena's actions.

So now we know why the Monitor freed Malefic and saved Lex. And they're doing that thing again where the same crossover preview is at the end of every prior episode. I see the value of that for the benefit of people who don't watch every one, but it's repetitive for those of us who do.

 

[Kirk Prime]

All of the above.

Plus, isn't Rama Khan an alien too? It just feels like on the one hand, he was beaten too easily for a guy that's been around for so long.

But I guess the counter to that could be that he never was met with resistance from other aliens, which is acceptable. Of course that leads to another issue--him pinning Supergirl under rocks. I get it--controls earth, but she's a Kryptonian. She should have blasted through those rocks fairly easily. She should be powerful enough to punch through anything Rama Khan could throw at her, and even when she was pinned, a blast of heat vision should have messed him up too.

 

[Reverend]

Add me the the list of people underwhelmed by Leviathan. That might be partly my own fault since the hints at a shadowy organisation dealing in suspiciously advanced tech, mind manipulation and mostly operating through proxies rather smacked of Granny Goodness, and when CatCo got a new possibly evil CEO, well that had serious Glorious Godfrey potential, no?

Next the the idea that they were leading into opening up Kirby's Fourth World material, Skinner cosplaying as 1940's Jor-El and yelling about "cleansing fires" is bound to be a little disappointing.

Also not digging (or really buying) Lena's turn to the dark side. The actress is doing her level best to do what she can with the material but the idea that someone that smart would be so emotionally and egotistically fragile as to pivot straight towards world domination because her bestie done told a fib feel more that a little forced.

Also, the depth of her self delusion and hypocrisy is truly jaw dropping and not doing the character any favours. I mean unless they pull some "Lena was brainwashed the whole time" BS she has to be off the show after this arc no? I mean where do you take a character after this?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I think this episode puts into question not just the morals of Supergirl, but those of the writers that came up with this idea.

Agreed.

Lena isn't someone with good intentions. She is pure evil. The idea that she is playing god is one of the most evil things she can do. She is trying to "incept" people into following HER beliefs. HER desires. Who made her morals the right ones?

That is the mind of one who believes in eugenics. Its not someone falling from the straight and narrow, but a long held series of beliefs which is mirrored in a number of real world examples....but it says much that some still gloss over that significant part of Lena's character all to get back to a poorly developed "pal" sub-plot with Kara.

Again, and the show doesn't touch on this, what Lena did to Eve is an absolute atrocious act that alone, should put her in jail for life.

True.

About the one thing the show got right was have Alex list Lena's crimes and lies.

Oh, you can bet that list of the cold, hard truth was ignored or treated as if Lena did nothing more than steal a pack of chewing gum.

Let's put it out there. Lena is no better than Lex. Maybe the biggest difference is that she actually has Kara blinded to her true nature.

Again, all true.

Lena is not redeemable at this point, and it would be extremely poor writing to make that happen and have them all pals again by next Thanksgiving.

Get ready...

As for Eve, having Eve take the blame is another example of Lena's crimes. Eve didn't take the blame--Lena's robot who stole Eve's body took the blame. And how weak was the writing that the FBI bought it? And that Supergirl and the DEO just allowed without protest Lena to walk?

Because it is the habit of the showrunners to sacrifice what had the potential to be a longstanding adversary (see: Lockwood) and toss it for quickie, unbelievable feel good resolutions, which is the opposite of too many great comic stories to mention here.

But it is a bit questionable that the writers did not bother to discuss the immorality of what Lena did.

Can't do that. They are racing to get to a "pal" resolution when their connection was never believable to begin with.

Regarding the Khan plot and his being the cause of disasters throughout real world history (Noah's flood at the top of the list), its not new to fantasy fiction, as comics like Marvel's The Invaders or on occasion, Quality/DC's Blackhawk had the fantasy baddies tied to major events in World War II, but their participation was unknown to the general public. So I do not have too much of an issue with his effect on history.

Also not digging (or really buying) Lena's turn to the dark side. The actress is doing her level best to do what she can with the material but the idea that someone that smart would be so emotionally and egotistically fragile as to pivot straight towards world domination because her bestie done told a fib feel more that a little forced.

...only she has ben involved in unethical, illegal and patently evil projects since her introduction. At what point was she ever a moral woman? Alex's comments were just scratching the surface of all of the evil committed by Lena, and it has little to do with Kara's lies, if one watched Lena's every scheme from the start.

 

[Reverend]

In those cases she at least seemed to be aware of the moral ambiguity of what she was doing. Now she be all like "I hate deceptive people!" *immediately deceives literally everyone she knows and for good measure, overwrites a person's brain with an AI because it's expedient*

 

[Kirk Prime]

I mean unless they pull some "Lena was brainwashed the whole time" BS she has to be off the show after this arc no? I mean where do you take a character after this?

Here's the problem--I'm getting no indication that the writers understand a word of what you are saying. For all disagreements a lot of us have over this show, I think a lot of us are seeing that Lena is a full villain and see that depriving people of their free will is absolutely horrifying. The reason I say this is because Kara didn't want to stop her at all costs and didn't even acknowledge how wrong Lena is. She didn't acknowledge how evil this plan is. Incepting thoughts is ok as long as they are good thoughts? That's basically brainwashing and lobotomizing the entire human race.

If Kara feels this is ok, that's one step from joining her. Is she saying that programming people's thoughts is ok as long as Supergirl or Lena agrees with the thoughts?

How is that in character with who Supergirl is supposed to be? Would the Kara of Seasons 1-2 feel this way?

I get the friendship betrayal, but Alex was the absolute voice of reason.

Oh, you can bet that list of the cold, hard truth was ignored or treated as if Lena did nothing more than steal a pack of chewing gum.

That's why I consider the writers to be clueless in this regard and I really hope that a better team is in charge of Superman and Lois. This is not ok. Barring a cop-out mind control thing, this is not redeemable. Or it shouldn't be. But the writers didn't even have the main character be appalled.

 

[Guy Gardener]

How nice of Lena to "allow" her puppet Eve to set herself up / take the fall. Well, that's not uncommon for a good villain.

Eve has left the building.

That's an AI called Hope driving Eve's meat sack around.

Andrea Brooks is/was pregnant. (I googled.)

Was Hope/Eve Pregnant?

Was Hope/Lena denying Eve vital prenatal care?

Or was Hope building a new meat sack so that she can give Eve her body back, becuase Hopes existence right now co-opting a living person is a little unethical.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

KARA IS STILL FEELING GUILTY ABOUT “«‘LYING’»”?? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK, WHAT DOG CRAP IS THAT?

Alex spelling it out in the clear that Lena has been the one's who's been lying and deceiving everybody the whole time doesn't do the ridiculousness of the whole charade any favours, as the writers admit they know this doesn't any fucking sense, yet it does nothing to explain why everyone is acting like it fucking does. Treating the sacredness of your own very private and vulnerable identity as lying is bad to begin with, but putting it anywhere on the same (let alone higher) level as the deception Lena has been doing – and forgiven by all her friends time and time again – is such bullshit.

Kara was afraid to tell you who she is, she didn't enact a secret plan to mind control the planet (and you) behind your back without anyone's consent. Kara was afraid to tell you who she is, she didn't brew genocidal chemical weapons to kill you behind your back. Kara was afraid to to tell you who she is, she didn't run experiment on humans who died in secret while claiming she doesn't kill people (not technically lying, STILL HARDER TO FORGIVE). Kara was afraid to tell who she is, she didn't secretly conceal the villain you were fighting (make this three of them for the last two seasons) in their bunker while you were trying to find them. Kara was afraid to tell you who is, she didn't fucking lie to you that she's outed you while plotting revenge for... what really?

Kara is ready to forgive all that. How she's the fuck she's one who's failed her friend? That's so monumentally upside-down that it means that Lena has totally lost any semblance of being anything other than a spoilt manipulative fuck who demands 100% truth and self-exposure from everyone to just be on the friendly* side when she's willing to give none. Kara shouldn't buy it and even if she does, Alex shouldn't indulge her in that.

Does this show have any chance of going back to being afflicted by decent writing, and not the completely manufactured melodrama by someone jealous and butthurt they didn't know Kara's secret?

Maybe the show should just be Brainy and Nia until the remaining idiots sort their issues in private.

* “Friendly” meaning “not commit crimes against humanity” and “not tie you in a groundwell and choke you near-death”.

 

[Christopher]

KARA IS STILL FEELING GUILTY ABOUT “«‘LYING’»”??

I agree with you as far as Kara's actions go, but it's more about her sensitivity to Lena's feelings. She knew that Lena had huge problems with trust and betrayal, that she'd been hurt by the people she cared for lying to her over and over. We saw a couple of times last season that Kara chickened out of telling Lena the truth because she knew Lena would take it as a betrayal. So it's not about whether Kara did something that was objectively wrong in general terms; it's that she did something that she knew was a trigger for Lena specifically, all while repeatedly reassuring her that she'd never do that.

Treating the sacredness of your own very private and vulnerable identity as lying is bad to begin with

That's a good point. I guess you could say it's like someone's sexual orientation or gender identity -- it's their own choice whether to come out and to whom. Still, since this is a CW superhero show, Kara has been quite open about her identity. Lena has a point that Kara was willing to be "out and proud" as Supergirl with virtually all her closest friends and colleagues, yet kept Lena and only Lena in the dark. Lena might have been more understanding if Kara had shared her secret with fewer people, but under the circumstances, it's hard to blame Lena for feeling she was singled out for exclusion.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Nicole has been gone for one episode?

I was worried that she had been fired.

In story, breaking up with Brianiac, means that she does not want to be around Brainiac, so that tracks... Even if dream powers are inception powers and would have cracked through Lena's fortress defenses this week.

 

[urbandefault]

Mark Twain said, two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. LINK

A secret identity is useless if everybody knows the secret.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

A secret identity is useless if everybody knows the secret.

Everybody except Lena, the only Luthor who was cotoyable and ready to help!

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Here's the problem--I'm getting no indication that the writers understand a word of what you are saying.

..or, its the likely case that they do not care.

For all disagreements a lot of us have over this show, I think a lot of us are seeing that Lena is a full villain and see that depriving people of their free will is absolutely horrifying. The reason I say this is because Kara didn't want to stop her at all costs and didn't even acknowledge how wrong Lena is. She didn't acknowledge how evil this plan is. Incepting thoughts is ok as long as they are good thoughts? That's basically brainwashing and lobotomizing the entire human race.
If Kara feels this is ok, that's one step from joining her. Is she saying that programming people's thoughts is ok as long as Supergirl or Lena agrees with the thoughts?

Supergirl the TV character has embraced incredibly questionable positions before. Let us not forget how she once threatened her "best friend" James (until he wasn't) with her "I'll stop you" from his personal choice to be the Guardian. Let us not forget how she recently broke into a government facility to steal on Lena's behalf. None of her actions were some grand crusade to deliver the truth or right a what would be an undeniable wrong, but often ethically challenged or straight up criminal choices, so her refusal to condemn a patently immoral person like Lena comes as no surprise.

To think she would even hesitate to condemn Lena for things that would bury anyone else under every prison for the rest of their lives.

I get the friendship betrayal, but Alex was the absolute voice of reason.

...and in some ridiculous manner, she (Alex) will eventualy be made to be wrong and quickly shed tears about how great the eugenics advocate is.

That's why I consider the writers to be clueless in this regard and I really hope that a better team is in charge of Superman and Lois. This is not ok. Barring a cop-out mind control thing, this is not redeemable. Or it shouldn't be. But the writers didn't even have the main character be appalled.[/QUOTE]

Well, they have to sell that "pal" business as if that is the most important connection for the series.

KARA IS STILL FEELING GUILTY ABOUT “«‘LYING’»”?? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK, WHAT DOG CRAP IS THAT?

A gargantuan pile of it, apparently.

Alex spelling it out in the clear that Lena has been the one's who's been lying and deceiving everybody the whole time doesn't do the ridiculousness of the whole charade any favours, as the writers admit they know this doesn't any fucking sense, yet it does nothing to explain why everyone is acting like it fucking does.

Yes, but this "pal" business is all-important to the those starring this show, so rational, realistic reactions are flicked out of the window, all so at some point in the near future, the two characters can grin at each other.

Treating the sacredness of your own very private and vulnerable identity as lying is bad to begin with, but putting it anywhere on the same (let alone higher) level as the deception Lena has been doing – and forgiven by all her friends time and time again – is such bullshit.

Absolutely, but you see how the showrunners (and a certain faction of the audience) perform self-deceptive mental gymnastics to conclude that Kara--a superheroine--somehow needed to expose her alleged most precious of secrets to someone who is corrupt, but nevermind that, because being to be the bestest of pals should not be of the highest concern for the alien with every reason to conceal her private life.

Kara was afraid to tell you who she is, she didn't enact a secret plan to mind control the planet (and you) behind your back without anyone's consent. Kara was afraid to tell you who she is, she didn't brew genocidal chemical weapons to kill you behind your back. Kara was afraid to to tell you who she is, she didn't run experiment on humans who died in secret while claiming she doesn't kill people (not technically lying, STILL HARDER TO FORGIVE). Kara was afraid to tell who she is, she didn't secretly conceal the villain you were fighting (make this three of them for the last two seasons) in their bunker while you were trying to find them. Kara was afraid to tell you who is, she didn't fucking lie to you that she's outed you while plotting revenge for... what really?

A excellent summary of why this series has never had a consistently strong plot. This is typical of showrunner agenda coming before strong story and character.

Kara is ready to forgive all that. How she's the fuck she's one who's failed her friend? That's so monumentally upside-down that it means that Lena has totally lost any semblance of being anything other than a spoilt manipulative fuck who demands 100% truth and self-exposure from everyone to just be on the friendly* side when she's willing to give none. Kara shouldn't buy it and even if she does, Alex shouldn't indulge her in that.

On point.

Does this show have any chance of going back to being afflicted by decent writing, and not the completely manufactured melodrama by someone jealous and butthurt they didn't know Kara's secret?

I would not hold out hope for that to happen, since having KaraSG be such a bleeding heart for people--wait...one person who embraces one of the most destructive philosophies in human history is all-important to the showrunners. Moral core be damned.

 

[Kirk Prime]

..or, its the likely case that they do not care.

If you don't have the morality to understand, how could you care?

Supergirl the TV character has embraced incredibly questionable positions before. Let us not forget how she once threatened her "best friend" James (until he wasn't) with her "I'll stop you" from his personal choice to be the Guardian. Let us not forget how she recently broke into a government facility to steal on Lena's behalf. None of her actions were some grand crusade to deliver the truth or right a what would be an undeniable wrong, but often ethically challenged or straight up criminal choices, so her refusal to condemn a patently immoral person like Lena comes as no surprise.

To think she would even hesitate to condemn Lena for things that would bury anyone else under every prison for the rest of their lives.

To me, that's a sign of very bad writing. Supergirl the character should be as morally pure as Clark. Obviously, there would be some differences based on background, but Clark would be a huge influence on her, and her very nature should be incredibly good.

I might give her a pass on James. You could argue that she was truly preventing her friend from doing something dangerous and illegal.

But you are right about her breaking into a government facility and stealing for Lena. Again, part of the bad writing and lack of morals of these writers. Kara should be above that and smart enough not to do that.

...and in some ridiculous manner, she (Alex) will eventualy be made to be wrong and quickly shed tears about how great the eugenics advocate is.

Unless they do something in COIE that gives them an excuse, you're likely right.

I would not hold out hope for that to happen, since having KaraSG be such a bleeding heart for people--wait...one person who embraces one of the most destructive philosophies in human history is all-important to the showrunners. Moral core be damned.

This is why I am hoping so much that Superman has a much better writing team and they take their cues from Flash rather than Supergirl.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kara was raised on Krypton by assholes.

It's a bad planet, raising children poorly.

Clark is morally pure because he was raised by Christians in the 1920s. Even with sliding time, how Jonathan and Martha can't possibly be those tripped acid at a people, it's still a belief that Martha is a Yokel who never tripped acid at a David Bowie concert.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Still need to finish viewing the last episode but I was quite surprised and shocked by Alex vehemence about Lena having said nothing about Sam, the Harun-El and the kriptonite. Would Alex have lost her memory concerning Sam (season 3) and James (season 4)?! Correct me if I'm wrong, but about keeping Sam/Reign's situation secret, Lena has given at this time, a valid/understandable explanation: 1) I remind you that it was Sam herself who went to see Lena for help. What should Lena have done? Running to the DEO to denounce her friend? Sorry but what Lena's done is called loyalty ; 2) Even if she had done that, as a Luthor, the DEO would have refused to listen to her and even less trusted her And according to J'onn and Alex reaction at this time, it was clear that she was in the right to not tell anyone. And anyway, what would have been their reaction? Knowing how the DEO acts generally, they would have simply chosen simplicity by enclosing Reign in a secured cell in forgetting Sam's fate. And even if Alex had suddenly remembered that her friend Sam was in Reign's body, all her attempts to save Sam would have failed because she had not looked in the right direction.
-> Lena needed time and a relative calm to do her researches and her experiments to find a cure to save her friend which would have worked while she made sure that Reign did not put anyone in danger. Under the supervision of the DEO, she certainly would not have reached such an efficiency and so quickly and in the end, it was the right thing to do and Alex agreed on it fairly quickly. 3) About the kriptonite, the DEO secretly kept some for years in its building and that despite J'onn's promise to Superman to destroy it. Why? Just in case where Kriptonians would become incontrollable. Alex knew it and it did not seem to bother her to keep the secret even towards Kara, that DEO got in its own, a weapon which could kill her own sister and Superman... . I admit to have been surprised that she shows no interest in the Harun-El or whatever Lena used, at less as scientifist, especially after she talked about her experiences at the Thanksgiving's dinner (giving superpowers to humans). But after James was shot, who did Alex turn to? To Lena, going so far as to ask her to divert the initial purpose of her researches to save James! And if she had showed some interest, don't worry, Alex would have made sure to take some of it herself if needed. I have no doubt about that.
=> Morality, when it suits her business, Alex knows how to close the eyes on the laws/regulations/orders even official (remember, even Kara had openly pointed this out to her while she's getting ready to steal Lex diaries for Lena!) or/and the ins and outs of Lena's experiments, no matter they have been revealed before or not.

But what shocked me the most in Alex speech to Kara, hold on the balcony of the DEO, was the fact that she was ready to kill someone whom she declares to love as a friend, without even trying to find an intermediate solution, knowing perfectly that this action will hurt deeply her sister (not hesitating to use Kara against her will, by the way!) and surely some other people (J'onn and Brainiac). We know, for seeing it several times in previous seasons that when it comes to protect her sister, Alex is able to hit her superior and disobey to an order of the President of the United States but when it concerns Lena (because for her, no matter what Lena has done good and kind in the past, she remains a Luthor), to kill her physically is not a problem for her consicence.
=> I wonder IF Kelly Olsen had been extreme in the use of her experiments on consciousness and mind to the point of becoming extemely dangerous for the safety of people, will Alex consider eliminating her girlfriend to be certain that it does not go further. I bet that she will try EVERYTHING to help her, even going so far as to put her career in danger for her girlfriend.

Don't get me wrong, even for entirely understandable reasons, Lena acts borderline. It is surely necessary to stop her but overhelming her when she is at her lowest point is not a solution. Lena Luthor is someone sensitive and brillant . Fighting her in using brain and emotions is the solution over time. And Kara understood that (and we know that it will work, at the end).
-> Alex should listen J'onn and Brainiac and learn to trust people more and the meaning of giving a second chance to them.

* Maybe I'm wrong but I think that IF Alex had had put her plan into action and killed Lena, despite fierce opposition from Kara, Alex would have lost her sister, which would surely never have forgiven her this gesture. I mean, Kara already lost her Kriptonian aunt because of Alex (if I remember well, she had pretexted having to kill Astra because the latter was going to kill J'onn but in reality, she has done it for fear of losing Kara's affectation, the latter having moved closer to her aunt towards the end, which risked to demote Alex position in Kara's heart), losing her best friend/soulmate (?) because of the same person would have been too much.

 

[Ovation]

I've stuck with the show since its beginning and, by and large, have been entertained sufficiently to overlook sillier elements, like the supervolcano in Los Ange...sorry, National City (and I have been ENTIRELY unbothered by the "Supergirl is stronger than Superman" thing that seems to raise some people's hackles).

However, I must say I'm puzzled by the lengths to which Supergirl, via the writers, has gone to still consider Lena "salvageable". Whatever the latter's protestations, her cumulative actions have placed her squarely in "villain" territory (and not just from this season). Is such a characterization "redeemable"? Perhaps. But the misplaced degree of guilt Supergirl feels about lying to protect her identity, regardless of how Lena feels at being "betrayed", is all out of proportion to the situation. Lena's rehabilitation as a character, if at all possible, should require punishment for her actions and a LONG road back to regain trust (something on the order of a season or two). She's well past the point of "I'm sorry. I was only doing what I thought was best." with a pat on the shoulder and a "there, there, it's alright."

Oh well. Maybe the Crisis will reset a lot more than anyone is counting on and things will move on--but it'll take some doing.

 

[CorporalClegg]

"She's not hurting anyone - not even her prisoner."

Do they even read this shit back to themselves?