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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

What about the other people with double identities in their social group?

Is Lena going to freak out when she discovers that Jon is a Martian, that Brainiac is from the future, or that Nia is an alien and trans and a superhero?

Lena is a baby
 
Finally manged to watch the 2 last episodes all at once. IF we don't like Lena's character, better to skip channels so much she was omni-present. Hey, even Lena's biologic mother was performed by Katie McGrath!

Anyway, in "Confidence Women" (while ironically, we see Lena and Andrea fight to try to extricate themselves from a typically masculine entourage dominated by tortured individuals especially Andrea's father and Lex, we don't really see confidence does radiate these young women).
I may not be keen on flashbacks but sometimes, they are necessary to have a better understanding of characters. Here, it was the ins and outs of Lena/Andrea relationship, from the birth of their firendship to the consumed break and how it played now with
this strange dominant dominated report. Indeed, it is clear that Lena has the upper hand on Andrea and she can manipulate her ex-friend like she wants to the point of making the latter buy a magazine on a snap of a finger and for more than it is worth.: Andrea feels so guilty of her past actions that she obeys the finger and the eye to the slightest desire of Lena in the hope of regaining her lost affection (it is surprising to see Lena so domineering throughout their exchanges : even if the scene where Lena threatened Andrea to kill her boyfriend to recover the medaillon was bluff, it served to show to Andrea that it was her, Lena Luthor, who was in total control here and that she was not ready to forgive so easily yet...so tempted that she forgives her totally one day).

About the motivations of each, I'd say that both had valid reasons (Lena wanted to recover the medallion which she considered belonged to her mother - I don't think it was really to use its so-called powers and besides, it was said that the said powers already were attached to Andrea therefore the course of events would not have been changed for Lena. - and Andrea wanted to save her father of a death foretold). At the end, both followed different paths with more or less success but it seems to me that in the end, it was Lena who came out in the best way: she rebuilt herself and became more self-assured and self-confident even if she started to not trust anyone around her... until Kara, while Andrea became an efficient killer at the behest of a criminal organisation who didn't hesitate to kill her boyfriend.
And in the light of some pictures of the 5x08, published on Canadagraphs website, Andrea seems to still work for the Leviathan ... surely against her will.

(By the way, I knew Andrea Rojas was a more complex character than we thought. I cannot wait to see which side she will finally join because right now, she is clearly in the bad one => hey, that's what it's like to make a deal with the Devil, the cure would be worse than the disease!)

Oh and Kara and her Super friends as Lena FINALLY finally started to talk about Levathian without any further information except that it is the cause of the recent problems encountered.

While we have followed Lena Luthor secretly orchestrating an epic betrayal of her best friend Kara Danvers* from the beginning of season 5, "Tremors", offered us the so much-waited confrontation/rough explanation (call it what you want but it was emotionnally intense) between the Super and the Luthor. And frankly, I was not disappointed. I'm just surprised it happened so early in the season but I guess that Crisis coming soon, it was necessary to squeeze the pace. I want to believe too that this is also the beginning of an eventual healing in the relationship between Kara and Lena even if it will take time and a lot of tears and screams, it's worth it: for me,. Kara/Lena's friendship was - and still is - one of the most important elements of the show.

* Kara comes off as super naive about so many of these things (inviting Lena to the Fortress of Solitude, come on!) but it’s also not only in character, but also a great indicator of where Kara’s head is. Still holding on to a lot of guilt for lying to her friend over the years, she’s overcompensating by trying to fulfill all of her friend’s needs like flying around the world to get Lena’s favorite pastries to being willing to break into militiary facilities to steal Lex's journals.
While Lena was the exact opposite of calm, cool, and collected she is usually though she tried to keep her composure up until the "I killed my brother for you and your friends" . In fact, she could appear irrational to some people if we forget how betrayal has been a constant in her life from friends and family and Kara's double game for a little more of 3 years was just
the straw that broke the camel's back and this especially as since her first episode she has explained what triggers her (she explained it over and over and over to Kara and yet the latter still went and did it. Maybe Kara should have avoided that friendship if she couldn't commit to it fully... Result: Lena thinks now that their firendship was just another lie and a way to use and manipulate her. Again, the betrayal is NOT that Kara choosed to not reaveal her identity but the fact that though everything good she has done since the beginning, Kara and her Super friends keep considering her as a Luthor, someone they can absolutely not trust and love.

In any case, kudos to the performances of Benoist (who perfectly demonstrated how regretful, feeling guilty and saddened Kara was) and McGrath (who has completely sold the emotions of Lena’s pain, anger, and frustration). Honestly, I don't care if Kara and Lena end as very good friends again or become a couple but please, keep offering to these 2 talented actresses many more opportunities to shoot scenes together. Their chemistry and dynamic together is amazing! :techman:

We also have a surprisingly raw and satisfying end to some of the conflict between J’onn and his forgotten brother Malefic but I wonder if it is really over (this quick reconciliation between them leave thoughtful but well, maybe it was time to complete this storyline, which was sometimes boring).

Kelly and Alex seems to be going back and forth. to be honest,
I was never all involved in their storyline to the point that I did not even realize they were on the verge of a possible breakup. As I already said for Kara's human friend, like James and Alex, they aren't invincible, especially in the absence of Supergirl... even if they are well physically trained and equipped with a suit to protect them, anything can happen to them especially against aliens. So if Kelly is so scared of suffering again at the loss of a sweetheart, maybe she should leave Alex before starting a family with her (Alex has a dangerous job and nothing guarantees that nothing will ever happen to her in the future and IF it had to happen, it will be even more difficult for Kelly to be widowed and have to raise one or more children alone, on an emotional level).
By the way, I couldn't imagine Alex ever staying in bed playing cards after a mild concussion. I get that people change, but they have really toned down the bad-ass-ness of Alex's character to put her in relationships, and it shows and NOT in the good way!. I miss the old Alex.



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Hmmm.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5YXu8oHkzn/?utm_source=ig_embed

Surprised to see no comments on Melissa's recent Instagram revelations about her past experiences with "intimate partner violence."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...-star-surviving-domestic-violence/4325377002/

She hopes by shedding some light on the issue she will encourage (the 1 in 4) others in a similar predicament to seek help for moral support and the wherewithal to escape such a relationship.

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Just goes to show that not all heroes wear capes.

I stand with Melissa.
 
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I was startled to learn about Benoist's revelation, because one expects Supergirl to be invulnerable. But realistically, of course, it's sadly unsurprising, because abuse is so common.
 
Surprised to see no comments on Melissa's recent Instagram revelations about her past experiences with "intimate partner violence."

Given the attitudes of some posters in here, it's probably not the best place to be discussing her revelations.
 
Given the attitudes of some posters in here, it's probably not the best place to be discussing her revelations.

Marc, I refuse to believe that a Supergirl animus among Arrowverse fans translates into a pro domestic abuse position among posters on this board.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supe...-domestic-violence_n_5ddf3acae4b0d50f329c517b

If I am wrong then this is exactly the place where this issue should be raised.

https://www.eonline.com/news/109787...react-to-her-domestic-violence-survival-story
 
Melissa didn't name the person responsible for hurting her, but it isn't hard to figure out who she's talking about if you're aware of her personal history.

There are other people publicly calling out the responsible party online based on being able to parse the details she gives, but I'm not going to because it doesn't help anything.
 
Marc, I refuse to believe that a Supergirl animus among Arrowverse fans translates into a pro domestic abuse position among posters on this board.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supe...-domestic-violence_n_5ddf3acae4b0d50f329c517b

If I am wrong then this is exactly the place where this issue should be raised.

https://www.eonline.com/news/109787...react-to-her-domestic-violence-survival-story

I wouldn't say pro-domestic abuse as much as misogyny and a generally dismissive attitude towards women that is so frequently on display in here.
 
I wouldn't say pro-domestic abuse as much as misogyny and a generally dismissive attitude towards women that is so frequently on display in here.

And if we're afraid to confront and discuss such attitudes for fear of verbal retaliation by their proponents, then that gives them a win. If they're going to express those attitudes anyway, then the rest of us have to be just as vocal in refuting them.
 
I believe I know who Benoist is talking about, but her not naming him is troublesome in that he gets to live his life scot free (if one assumes he never faced justice and/or sought treatment for his behavior), and could do the same to another woman. She might not want to risk an expected slander charge and the controversy that would spill out from that, but this guy is still around with an abusive nature...

Her story is no surprise, in the sense that I've personally known quite a few women in that industry who have been in abusive relationships just as violent or worse, and only a few ever reported it to law enforcement.
 
Hmmm.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5YXu8oHkzn/?utm_source=ig_embed

Surprised to see no comments on Melissa's recent Instagram revelations about her past experiences with "intimate partner violence."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...-star-surviving-domestic-violence/4325377002/

She hopes by shedding some light on the issue she will encourage (the 1 in 4) others in a similar predicament to seek help for moral support and the wherewithal to escape such a relationship.

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Just goes to show that not all heroes wear capes.

I stand with Melissa.

That was a heartbreaking video. :(

So glad she was able to get out of that, and incredibly proud of her that she found the strength and courage to speak publicly about it and use the platform that she has to try and help others in that situation.
 
I wouldn't say pro-domestic abuse as much as misogyny and a generally dismissive attitude towards women that is so frequently on display in here.

I agree. There are a number of debates and discussions regarding views on gender and orientation--and view points that we disagree over. I doubt that there is anyone hear who would be in favor of (or at least so much so that they would post) domestic abuse or violence against women.
 
There are a couple of important things about Melissa's story that I'm concerned aren't being recognized:
1) She was stuck in the cycle of abuse that she describes for a lot longer than people realize
2) Actually getting out of said cycle of abuse took a significant amount of time even though the incident that she says was her 'wakeup call' (the eye injury) happened fairly early on in the relationship

It's hard to fully outline a timeline without naming the person she was talking about (which I don't want to do), but when she talks about "leaving being a process", she's speaking literally.
 
Oh, and yes, I haven't forgotten the fictional character this thread is supposed to be about. SUPERGIRL!

Here's a link to a Katie McGrath article about the last ep and the next.

https://tvline.com/2019/11/29/supergirl-season-5-kara-lena-relationship-katie-mcgrath-interview/

And now, back to a real life Supergirl.


I agree. There are a number of debates and discussions regarding views on gender and orientation--and view points that we disagree over. I doubt that there is anyone hear who would be in favor of (or at least so much so that they would post) domestic abuse or violence against women.

I would hope in an atmosphere where people can be cavalier about the issues surrounding "issues of gender and orientation" that Melissa's video would give them pause and allow them a chance to reassess their positions.

More importantly, it gives people trapped in such a relationship the hope that there is a way out.

From her husband's twitter...

Chris Wood‏Verified account @CHRIStophrWOOD Nov 28
Happy Thanksgiving! I’m going to kiss my wife and hold her tenderly. All day. And every day. How do YOU show love? #IStandWithMelissa


From Chlyer's (Alex) twitter....

Chyler Leigh @chy_leigh Nov 28
MoreChyler Leigh Retweeted Melissa Benoist
#istandwithmelissa This is beyond brave, this is heroic. Like a poppy rising from the ashes, Mel you are a powerful example of how a beautiful life can bloom from the deadliest of conditions. I love you dearly and am thankful you’ve shared your story

From David (J'onn)'s account/

David Harewood‏Verified account @DavidHarewood Nov 27
Proud of @MelissaBenoist today and always. She earns the title in every way. #Supergirl

From Jon's twitter (who also linked all of the next tweets)
Jon Cryer‏Verified account @MrJonCryer Nov 27
Jon Cryer Retweeted Variety If you were wondering why the character @MelissaBenoist plays seems so authentically brave, it’s because @MelissaBenoist actually is authentically brave.


From Sam Witwer(Agent Liberty)

Sam Witwer‏ @SamWitwer Nov 27
Replying to @MelissaBenoist You're an amazing woman. I love you, lady.

From Caity (Sara)

Caity Lotz‏ @caitylotz Nov 27Caity Lotz Retweeted Melissa Benoist
Thank you for sharing your story. You are brave beyond measure and your words give strength and hope to so many women. Sending you so much love sister


From a politician's family.

Christine Pelosi‏ @sfpelosi For anyone who needs to hear this - you are worthy of love without violence. No exceptions or excuses. If you need help, please reach out. The @CrisisTextLine is ready 24 hours a day: USA
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text 741741 Canada
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text 686868 United Kingdom
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text 85258 #istandwithmelissa


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I've gotten caught up over the last week or so, and we got some interesting stuff in the last couple episodes.
It was nice to get the flashbacks for Lena and Andrea, and we now know that Andrea is not totally evil.
The reveal of who is behind Leviathan was not what I was expecting. I knew it wasn't going to be the same as in the comics, but that was not what I was expecting.
The resolution to J'Onn and Malefic's conflict was also a surprise. It will be interesting to see if there is any more to that.
The big confrontation between Kara and Lena was really good. It's nice to finally have Kara aware of what Lena is up to. I'm really looking forward to how they resolve all of that on tomorrow's episode.
 
Do her kryptonian powers prevent Kara (and Superman) from getting sick from earth viruses and diseases?

I was thinking, since her skin cannot be broken by a needle (unless she’s near kryptonite) she’s probably never had any vaccines
 
Do her kryptonian powers prevent Kara (and Superman) from getting sick from earth viruses and diseases?

I was thinking, since her skin cannot be broken by a needle (unless she’s near kryptonite) she’s probably never had any vaccines
That seems to be the case. (And when Kara was temporarily depowered back in season one, she almost immediately came down with a cold.)
 
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