STAR TREK 4 BACK ON! Noah Hawley to write and direct

[M'Sharak]

Fuckin' idiots. After reunification of Viacom and Paramount who needs this antiTrek junk like Kelvinerse? They shoud make movie about regular universe Pike and Enterprise in that period or movie about DS9 crew.

You could have stopped right here. Not everyone might agree with you, but it's an opinion about the movies, and expressing those is fine here.

No one normal doesn't want this shit known as Kelvinverse.

But then you had to go and take a swipe at folks who, in fact, do want this shit known as Kelvinverse.

That's not fine, and it's that bit which earns you a warning for trolling.

Comments concerning this, if there are any, are to be taken to PM.

 

[Jedman67]

Fair enough, but I thought the space station shots from Star Trek Beyond were amazing eye candy that added nothing to the plot. Cut those out and the budget would have been more manageable.

There is a balance to be struck here, you don't want this film to look like a cheap TV film, but just throwing money on the screen with MCU level budgets was not working either, there is a middle ground here.

Also there is an interesting Forbes article about this movie's prospects:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...-questions-facing-paramounts-star-trek-4/amp/

I think the new film will need to focus less on special effects and more on plot and characters.

$185 million in 2022 is not the same as $185 mil in 2016
That said, Star Trek can be a tentpole, if it doesn't sacrifice character for pew pew.
Star Trek will never be able to compete with Avengers level action, but it could still hold it's own in theaters.

 

[The Overlord]

$185 million in 2022 is not the same as $185 mil in 2016
That said, Star Trek can be a tentpole, if it doesn't sacrifice character for pew pew.
Star Trek will never be able to compete with Avengers level action, but it could still hold it's own in theaters.

I think having a smaller budget, makes film makers more creative sometimes. The space station shots in Beyond added nothing to the story, I think I would prefer a leaner film at this point, a smaller, smarter film that is counter programming to the giant Disney films.

Look how money Joker made.

 

[BillJ]

I think having a smaller budget, makes film makers more creative sometimes. The space station shots in Beyond added nothing to the story, I think I would prefer a leaner film at this point, a smaller, smarter film that is counter programming to the giant Disney films.

Yorktown had to be impressive, because it was a stand-in for Earth. It had to be huge with lots of lives at stake, so a bad guy with a grudge could try to commit mass murder.

Star Trek Beyond wasn't appreciably different from the first two films. I think audiences picked up on that.

 

[fireproof78]

I think leaner budget can be very effective when creating a good story.

Also, in this day and age where digital models are a thing, those could still be accessed and utilized.

 

[The Overlord]

Yorktown had to be impressive, because it was a stand-in for Earth. It had to be huge with lots of lives at stake, so a bad guy with a grudge could try to commit mass murder.

Star Trek Beyond wasn't appreciably different from the first two films. I think audiences picked up on that.

It was so expensive though. If it was a giant DS9 like station, that would have worked for a fraction of the price. All you need say is, a lot of people live here and it serves its purpose.

In this sequel, I want the threat ( a villain or natural disaster) to be to an alien world that has nothing to do with Earth.

 

[BillJ]

It was so expensive though. If it was a giant DS9 like station, that would have worked for a fraction of the price. All you need say is, a lot of people live here and it serves its purpose.

On TV? Yes, you could probably get away with it. But folks go to see these things for the spectacle involved.

In this sequel, I want the threat ( a villain or natural disaster) to be to an alien world that has nothing to do with Earth.

I don't think we'll get anything appreciably different. Cutting Hemsworth's salary off of the books gives them more money for effects. I doubt we see a budget that drops below the $150-175 million dollar range.

 

[VOODOOXI]

I think this is great news. So happy to see the Kelvin timeline continue. Hopefully Tarantino’s ST will follow shortly after

 

[Khan 2.0]

Beyond should've cost less than ST09 : got rid of Yorktown..., plus the Swarm, Ent destruction, Franklin, Krall (and the 50 different alien makeups), and flying starlord Kirk

 

[BillJ]

Beyond should've cost less than ST09 : got rid of Yorktown..., plus the Swarm, Ent destruction, Franklin, Krall (and the 50 different alien makeups), and flying starlord Kirk

Then there's no movie.

 

[VOODOOXI]

So they fired the first woman hired to make a Star Trek movie and replaced her with another white man. That's going to go down well..

Nobody is going to know or care...I certainly have no issue with a women directing, but I’m just as happy with a “white guy” directing.

 

[BillJ]

So they fired the first woman hired to make a Star Trek movie and replaced her with another white man. That's going to go down well..

I'm sure SJ Clark will land on her feet. That white man may find it impossible to get a Trek movie made in the current climate at Paramount. I'll seriously be surprised if this ever gets made.

 

[fireproof78]

It was so expensive though. If it was a giant DS9 like station, that would have worked for a fraction of the price. All you need say is, a lot of people live here and it serves its purpose.

Yes, but that work is already done, so it might not be as expensive this time around...maybe. Depends on what assets they want to use.

Beyond should've cost less than ST09 : got rid of Yorktown..., plus the Swarm, Ent destruction, Franklin, Krall (and the 50 different alien makeups), and flying starlord Kirk

So, a completely different movie...?

I'm sure SJ Clark will land on her feet. That white man may find it impossible to get a Trek movie made in the current climate at Paramount. I'll seriously be surprised if this ever gets made.

It's usually a surprise to me that any movie gets made

 

[BillJ]

It's usually a surprise to me that any movie gets made

Rumors are that Paramount has financial issues, coupled with what could be a reorganization after the deal with CBS closes, this could be nothing more than legal bookkeeping. Keeping the licensing terms that were negotiated during the split by having a film "in production" until they know where they stand.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Look how money Joker made.

Imagine Star Trek made on a Joker budget. No Enterprise, the story picks up during shore leave on an Earth-type planet. The aliens are TOS-style parallel earth humans. The whole story is Kirk and Spock and a couple of the others briefly appear on a viewscreens or something.

As amazing as Joker is, it's kind of low budget doesn't quite fit Trek.

 

[Greg Cox]

I'm sure SJ Clark will land on her feet. That white man may find it impossible to get a Trek movie made in the current climate at Paramount. I'll seriously be surprised if this ever gets made.

It may be more a case of her moving on after her STAR TREK 4 project got stuck in limbo. As I understand it, this is a whole new project with a whole new premise, so I'm not sure if that counts as her being on "replaced" since the new guy is making an entirely different movie. It's not as though he's replacing her on the Hemsworth time-travel TREK movie.

Still, it is a shame she didn't get make her STAR TREK movie . . .

 

[The Overlord]

Imagine Star Trek made on a Joker budget. No Enterprise, the story picks up during shore leave on an Earth-type planet. The aliens are TOS-style parallel earth humans. The whole story is Kirk and Spock and a couple of the others briefly appear on a viewscreens or something.

As amazing as Joker is, it's kind of low budget doesn't quite fit Trek.

Didn't Wrath of Khan have a budget of 11 million dollars?

Anyway there is a huge middle ground between a Joker budget and an Avengers budget, if last movie lost money due to a giant budget, shouldn't they go with a smaller budget this time?

 

[BillJ]

Didn't Wrath of Khan have a budget of 11 million dollars?

It did. But it also used a bunch of sets and effects from The Motion Picture.

Anyway there is a huge middle ground between a Joker budget and an Avengers budget, if last movie lost money due to a giant budget, shouldn't they go with a smaller budget this time?

Should they or shouldn't they? Who really knows? People could catch wind of a diminished budget and decide it better to just wait for the film on home video.

I think the likely best course, is to find the best story possible, then budget accordingly.

 

[Greg Cox]

Didn't Wrath of Khan have a budget of 11 million dollars?

Mind you, those were 1980 dollars. Heck, the original STAR WARS only cost 9 million or so, but would surely cost much more if filmed today.

 

[XCV330]

Since audiences don't know I would say that studios are very much in the dark on it too.

Star Trek: Transformers anyone?

It's only a matter of time with all these competing megafranchises until a big budget crossover happens. (Sony's got a deal with Valiant Comics, and with Bloodshot coming out soon, I can finally hope for a XO MANOWAR vs Iron Man movie..)

anyway, Doctor Who/Kelvin Verse seems the obvious crossover. It's worked in comic form a couple of times.