Rian Johnson trilogy canceled

[Locutus of Bored]

Yet every time I'm accused of lying I come back with proof or evidence, and after himming and hawing for a while, you guys just shrug it off

Proof and evidence of what? Your opinion? That's not how this works.

what do you mean. The Disney SW ruined three trilogies and split the fanbase and SW is in a sorry state right now. Him and maw all you want but that is what is happening.

I just heard they got Glover to play Lando ina new show.. because they have no ideas

Okay, first off, it's "hemming and hawing" or "hem and haw", not "himming and hawing", which I imagine is something that happened on He-Haw, or "Him and Maw", which is what I think Han would say to Leia in lieu of "No time to discuss this as a committee" if she wanted to talk about something while they were flying through the Maw.

You know that Donald Glover's performance as Lando was nearly universally praised, right? Even by people who didn't otherwise like the film? Why is it wrong to bring him back, and what does using young Lando again have to do with not having new ideas or a creative future? You can have him be in a completely new storyline and setting.

Also, I "honestly just find it interesting" in your rambling manifesto that your first complaints besides your previous objections to hiring female leads is to the rehiring of a black guy and a Mexican guy as leads. Is that part of the dreaded diversity "agenda" again?

Sure.. i honestly just find it interesting.
They are courting Glover as Lando again.. they have no creative future.
Cassian Andor Gets a series (who really cares about him, of all the people that remember who he is)
The Rian Johnson trilogy was announced in November 2017, and was going to go beyond the legacy characters, and it's clearly not going to happen at all now.
In February of 2018, the B & W trilogy was announced, but that's not happening either.
The last last jedi made less than half of the previous episodic installment, and divided the fanbase
the last Star Wars film actually lost money at the box office, because in part of the how the Last Jedi split the fanbase, and in part because no one wanted a film about a young Han solo.
Even Bob Iger admits many mistakes were made with Star Wars, and clearly is speaking on them (but won't let the actual president of Lucasfilm talk at all and would rather speak himself).
And I'll admit the Mandalorian looks intriguing but is also an interesting diversionary tactic that won't cover the sins of TROS when people see it and see how big of a mess that film is.
Yet everyone here is like.. "oh SW is perfectly fine).
It's like Private Snafu (situation normal.. all fucked up)
Oh should I remind you that when the shills like Campea want KK out that tells you something

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[Campe]

Regardless of all of this, until there is any sort of an official confirmation that does not include a YouTuber’s uncle’s sister’s husband’s cousin’s nephew’s former roommate’s brother’s teacher’s son telling the news, the Rian Johnson trilogy has not been cancelled.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Proof and evidence of what? Your opinion? That's not how this works.

Okay, first off, it's "hemming and hawing" or "hem and haw", not "himming and hawing", which I imagine is something that happened on He-Haw, or "Him and Maw", which is what I think Han would say to Leia in lieu of "No time to discuss this as a committee" if she wanted to talk about something while they were flying through the Maw.

You know that Donald Glover's performance as Lando was nearly universally praised, right? Even by people who didn't otherwise like the film? Why is it wrong to bring him back, and what does using young Lando again have to do with not having new ideas or a creative future? You can have him be in a completely new storyline and setting.

Also, I "honestly just find it interesting" in your rambling manifesto that your first complaints besides your previous objections to hiring female leads is to the rehiring of a black guy and a Mexican guy as leads. Is that part of the dreaded diversity "agenda" again?

these new franchises might have diversity, but it's all superficial diversity.. skin deep..

all the same political beliefs are in play no matter what the character looks like

 

[JD]

About Kathleen Kennedy, she's doing a pretty good job just looking at the numbers, some people just want to dislike her. Sure, eventually she'll leave Lucasfilm but that doesn't mean the people "predicting" it were right or knew it. If I start every day saying "There'll be a rainbow today" I will be right eventually but that doesn't make me a rainbow psychic or weather expert.

And when she does eventually leave, I very much doubt it will be because she was fired due to Solo's performance. At this point it'll probably be because she's either moving up in the Disney chain of command, or because she choose to retire or move to a different position. I'd love to see her take over as Bob Iger, just to see how all the people who hate her would try to spin into some sort of a negative.

 

[Campe]

And when she does eventually leave, I very much doubt it will be because she was fired due to Solo's performance. At this point it'll probably be because she's either moving up in the Disney chain of command, or because she choose to retire or move to a different position. I'd love to see her take over as Bob Iger, just to see how all the people who hate her would try to spin into some sort of a negative.

I so want KK to take Iger’s position when he retires. The fallout from certain sects would be fairly entertaining.

 

[BillJ]

all the same political beliefs are in play no matter what the character looks like

I've been watching this stuff for forty-two years, the same political beliefs are in play now that were in play then.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You know that Donald Glover's performance as Lando was nearly universally praised, right? Even by people who didn't otherwise like the film?

Seriously, this. Moar Lando by Glover. I'm genuinely surprised that there's a peep of complaint about it. The actor's there. All he needs is a great story, and I'd expect high probability of an excellent film/show.

 

[BillJ]

Seriously, this. Moar Lando by Glover. I'm genuinely surprised that there's a peep of complaint about it.

I'm not one particularly interested in Lando's backstory. But if the opportunity is there, and the actor is interested, why not? I can always chose not to watch.

I think what is the most disappointing to me is the lack of post-Rise of Skywalker material on the horizon.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

these new franchises might have diversity, but it's all superficial diversity.. skin deep..

all the same political beliefs are in play no matter what the character looks like

So according to you, the characters are functionally no different from their predecessors regardless of factors like gender and sexuality and skin color, and the "political beliefs" remain the same, but you're still rabidly opposed to seeing women and minorities in lead roles. Think about that and what it says about you.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

the most important kind of diversity is diversity of thought. Simply casting different colors or genders or whatever is all superficial. I don't complain that the lead in SW is a woman.. though I might complain about her characteristics (overpowered, underwritten, or put into the story for purley identity politics perhaps) but no one cares about the fact that she is a woman but you guys are taking something that is indefensible like misogyny and projecting it on me (FSM hates Rey as a character.. so he's misogynist.. or whatever other thing you might project on me that fits into your little label maker) If I don't like Discovery it must be because I'm a homophobe, of course..but what you are doing is projecting your hatred, and what you think I might hate, onto me in order to make yourselves feel better
All you guys are talking about is diversity that I can see, superficial diversity, but it seems that regardless of the gender or color of the person you want in these roles, everyone is part of the same agenda or else you are horrible..

again diversity of thought is important.. the ability to cut through the bullshit

 

[Masiral]

I so want KK to take Iger’s position when he retires. The fallout from certain sects would be fairly entertaining.

And then Rian Johnson can take her job! (I'm being facetious... but just imagine the reaction...)

I do kinda wonder if she is being set up to take Iger's spot. Up until now, Feige has only overseen movies for Marvel, while Kennedy has been in charge of the entire Lucasfilm apparatus - movies, TV, video games, books, comics, even ILM and Skywalker Sound. It would make more sense for her to move up to Disney CEO than him.

 

[Campe]

Let’s just be fair for a second: Unless a movie is about diversity or some sort of discrimination and actually be relevant, it is likely not going to be a focal point of dialogue and story points.

Besides, having different gender or colored skin is honestly all about giving kids role models to look up to. It literally has nothing to do with agendas or identity politics except to say the same thing the 1977 Star Wars said about a farm boy from nowhere: Anyone can be a hero. It gives kids someone else to look up to other than a blonde haired blue eyed white boy. But if I’m wrong and it is an agenda that’s being pushed: I can think of a lot worse ones out there than giving my 6 month old son other choices than just Luke Skywalker to see as a hero in Star Wars.

 

[fireproof78]

hese new franchises might have diversity, but it's all superficial diversity.. skin deep..

Ok, I'll bite. What would "deep" diversity look like?

Thus, far, the reason why I take issue with complaints about the ST appearing to be against diversity is because many of the things portrayed in the ST are similar to things portrayed in the OT, except far less diverse. Almost all white guys, with no other variety. Rey is far more similar to Luke than will ever be acknowledged, so the only apparent difference is gender. But, that's a topic for another thread.

As far as agenda, why is having more diversity "an agenda?" It's absurd to me, when white people have dominated Hollywood, that asking for more diversity is "an agenda" (insert sinister music here). I have many friends who are Native American, Latino, as well as two daughters growing up. I want them to have the same opportunity to look up and identify with heroic characters like I could with Luke Skywalker. If that's bad then I'll be bad. At this point, I can imagine worse agendas.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

the most important kind of diversity is diversity of thought. Simply casting different colors or genders or whatever is all superficial.

White people have the luxury of saying casting for more diversity is unimportant and all superficial because they've been over-represented in film by default since its inception; straight white men even more so. Try having a little more empathy and a little less selfishness and try and look at it from the perspective of women, people of color, or LGBTQ people and how they might feel about having better representation of people like them on the screen.

Also, your reactions suggest that you reject "diversity of thought," and I'm not even sure you have any firm concept of what you mean by that, and it's just another attempt to sound like a cinema expert or intellectual that falls miserably short when you're actually challenged to explain yourself coherently.

Regardless of my personal feelings on the inconsistency, flawed execution, and poor characterization of the movie, The Last Jedi certainly embodied "diversity of thought" and went in a wholly different direction from its predecessor by basically saying "You know everything you thought was set up by the previous movie? Well fuck that!" So, shouldn't you love that? Yet instead you're completely hung up on the fact that the protagonist had boobies but could still do all the kewl space wizard stuff Luke and Anakin could do. And as we all know, the fictional magical space religion powers are exclusively manly traits.

I don't complain that the lead in SW is a woman.. though I might complain about her characteristics (overpowered, underwritten, or put into the story for purley identity politics perhaps)

That bolded part is quite literally "complaining that the lead in SW is a woman." Jesus Christ, man, get a clue. There is absolutely nothing wrong with starting from the initial point of saying we would like for our protagonist to be a woman just for the sake of courting an under-served demographic and providing inspirational heroes for them to look up to, but also for people of all backgrounds.

Those casting outlines are where character development begins, but not where it ends. And yes, you can still make a poorly developed character after that that you can legitimately critique. But where you gave away your true intentions was the constant complaints about so-called "diversity hires", which made it obvious that was your biggest sticking point, and that is decidedly bigoted no matter how much you protest.

Also, your relentless pursuit of derailing every other Star Wars or Marvel thread with your "inaccurately and demeaningly applied to any female character I don't like" Mary Sue complaint, or your endless over-the-top Kathleen Kennedy bashing and ill-wishing, or your objection to diversity casting in general tell us your intentions and mindset all by itself.

but no one cares about the fact that she is a woman but you guys are taking something that is indefensible like misogyny and projecting it on me (FSM hates Rey as a character.. so he's misogynist.. or whatever other thing you might project on me that fits into your little label maker) If I don't like Discovery it must be because I'm a homophobe, of course..but what you are doing is projecting your hatred, and what you think I might hate, onto me in order to make yourselves feel better

Do you dislike Discovery because you think the story arcs are inconsistently plotted and the episodes and characters frequently are poorly written or do you dislike Discovery because casting gay men like Stamets and Culbert are part of a superficial agenda that shouldn't happen and is ruining the franchise? Because one is a legitimate if subjective critique, and the other is pretty likely homophobia, especially if constantly repeated in nonsensical angry manifestos.

Good use of the "I am rubber, you are glue" gambit, by the way. Of course if we object to your misogyny that must mean that we're the real misogynists and this is all just a long con to take the heat off of our hatred of women. Logical as ever, FSM.

again diversity of thought is important.. the ability to cut through the bullshit

We're trying, but you've constructed quite an impressive mountain of bullshit to cut through.

 

[DigificWriter]

The Last Jedi certainly embodied "diversity of thought" and went in a wholly different direction from its predecessor by basically saying "You know everything you thought was set up by the previous movie? Well fuck that!"

Except it didn't.

Everything in The Last Jedi is consistent with The Force Awakens' content as actually presented onscreen.

People not having their various and sundry fan theories and expectations - many of which were formulated in direct contradiction of Canonical information imparted through auxiliary materials and direct statements from Lucasfilm employees - confirmed does not make TLJ inconsistent with The Force Awakens or mean that Rian Johnson somehow invalidated what JJ Abrams did in that film.

This is not a matter of opinion, BTW; it is pure fact.

 

[Spot261]

Except it didn't.

Everything in The Last Jedi is consistent with The Force Awakens' content as actually presented onscreen.

People not having their various and sundry fan theories and expectations - many of which were formulated in direct contradiction of Canonical information imparted through auxiliary materials and direct statements from Lucasfilm employees - confirmed does not make TLJ inconsistent with The Force Awakens or mean that Rian Johnson somehow invalidated what JJ Abrams did in that film.

This is not a matter of opinion, BTW; it is pure fact.

Ok, I'm going to need an explanation here, sorry?

 

[DigificWriter]

Ok, I'm going to need an explanation here, sorry?

What, exactly, needs to be explained about my post?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Except it didn't.

Everything in The Last Jedi is consistent with The Force Awakens' content as actually presented onscreen.

People not having their various and sundry fan theories and expectations - many of which were formulated in direct contradiction of Canonical information imparted through auxiliary materials and direct statements from Lucasfilm employees - confirmed does not make TLJ inconsistent with The Force Awakens or mean that Rian Johnson somehow invalidated what JJ Abrams did in that film.

This is not a matter of opinion, BTW; it is pure fact.

You've consistently shown that you don't have the first clue about the difference between facts and opinions and that you have an undeserved level of confidence in your accuracy.

Also, your extreme overreliance on auxiliary materials and direct statements from production staff who have a vested interest in promoting their product in a positive light without giving away spoilers (as they should, because that's their job) to the exception of just paying attention to what's onscreen will be your undoing, and already has been many times. You miss basic plot developments and clues that everyone else and their mother saw coming a mile away because you were scouring the internet to find out what the caterer was saying about Luke's spiritual journey.

I wasn't posting that commentary to get into another tedious argument about the merits of TLJ, I was posting it as a lead-in to counter Flying Spaghetti Monster's diatribe about diversity hiring. Read the room. There's already another thread for you to argue about TLJ.

 

[Crazyewok]

The last jedi was just shit.

You could replace that monstrosity with a entire white male cast and it would be shit still.

Diversity was not the problem with that sorry excuse of a film.

 

[Spot261]

What, exactly, needs to be explained about my post?

Might just be me, but it seems to have the overall shape and structure of a definitive statement, I'm just not entirely sure what that statement is or why it is definitive and thought it would be best to check we're rowing the same canoe here.