Rian Johnson trilogy canceled

[valkyrie013]

Well.. its the trend right now, or something.. to instead of just having your opinions of a movie ( or other things) You now have to convince everybody that Your Opinion is correct, and try to destroy or bring down anybody with a separate or opposite opinion. Someone hates a particualar character, instead of just moving on, they attack the actor, or the writer/director.. and they get on all forums Twit er and do death threats.. its all just stupid.. Gone are the days of when your mom or dad said.. if you don't have anything nice to say.. Shut Up!
Its a movie, or some politic thing.. its in the grand scheme of things.. nothing...

 

[Noname Given]

Rememeber when there were only 3 SW movies, and 2 Terminator movies, and 2 Alien/s movies, and 2 Ghostbuster movies, and life was good. lol

I remember the time when there was one Star Trek series, and a cartoon version that no one really talked about much. In those days, the thing most discussed was whether the third season (oft referred to as the 'turd' season) was a part of ST continuity/canon, aside from "The Tholian Web", "Day of the Dove" and "The Enterprise Incident".

(I'm old)

 

[Spot261]

I remember the time when there was one Star Trek series, and a cartoon version that no one really talked about much. In those days, the thing most discussed was whether the third season (oft referred to as the 'turd' season) was a part of ST continuity/canon, aside from "The Tholian Web", "Day of the Dove" and "The Enterprise Incident".

(I'm old)

It's amazing how history just keeps repeating itself.

 

[fireproof78]

The answer to be us shit writing. TLJ is so god awful people are making things up now to bash it.

Which completely diminishes the actual arguments, in my opinion. At this point, the arguments blur together in a tapestry of hatred and it makes me far more sad that something gets so bashed.

 

[crookeddy]

Which completely diminishes the actual arguments, in my opinion. At this point, the arguments blur together in a tapestry of hatred and it makes me far more sad that something gets so bashed.

I prefer to look at the movie's positives, such as that it's visually beautiful, somewhat unpredictable, and to me, has only one bad scene (casino). And even that scene added some subtlety to the black and white of Star Wars which I prefer.

 

[Spot261]

Which completely diminishes the actual arguments, in my opinion. At this point, the arguments blur together in a tapestry of hatred and it makes me far more sad that something gets so bashed.

Therein lies the problem.

Lots of people are remarkably eager to criticise without any clear idea why

 

[Jayson1]

They all die before the film is over. Every last one of them.

Until the tv show comes out!

Jason

 

[Crazyewok]

Therein lies the problem.

Lots of people are remarkably eager to criticise without any clear idea why

There are some good criticisms of the TLJ.

The problem is the racist and sexist arguments get woven into it.

That's pisses off us TLJ haters that have real criticisms as the bigots are invalidating our arguments.

 

[Campe]

There are some good criticisms of the TLJ.

The problem is the racist and sexist arguments get woven into it.

That's pisses off us TLJ haters that have real criticisms as the bigots are invalidating our arguments.

To be fair, describing yourself as haters may not make friends or influence people either. Just my opinion.

 

[BillJ]

That's pisses off us TLJ haters that have real criticisms as the bigots are invalidating our arguments.

They aren't invalidating them, more like drowning them out.

From my perspective, the middle of The Last Jedi needed to have some rewrites done. I didn't mind the direction, just the execution was sloppy and uninspired. It was like someone wrote kick ass first and third acts then scrambled when asked where the second act was at.

 

[ichab]

Well.. its the trend right now, or something.. to instead of just having your opinions of a movie ( or other things) You now have to convince everybody that Your Opinion is correct, and try to destroy or bring down anybody with a separate or opposite opinion. Someone hates a particualar character, instead of just moving on, they attack the actor, or the writer/director.. and they get on all forums Twit er and do death threats.. its all just stupid.. Gone are the days of when your mom or dad said.. if you don't have anything nice to say.. Shut Up!
Its a movie.. its in the grand scheme of things.. nothing...

Oh boy. You just triggered every hardcore fan who thinks their movie or franchise is changing the world.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Methinks that TPTB at Disney will not greenlight another SW film until after Episode IX's international take exceeds expectations.

 

[XCV330]

Check out Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.

stories all over the place today that initially Julia Roberts was seriously considered

..


for Harriet Tubman

oh well, at least Scarlet didn't wind up with the role as an android Tubman.

 

[Crazyewok]

Methinks that TPTB at Disney will not greenlight another SW film until after Episode IX's international take exceeds expectations.

Disney really does need to look at what worked and what hasn't.

Why did rogue one get praise and TLJ slammed ?

Part of me thinks Rian was writing for the wrong audience.

Starwars has always been about pleasing casual viewers with critics secound.

Rian seemed to write a film for critics first and casual viewers secound, hence why it got praised by critics and slammed by the general audience.

Also blatent soapboxing and virtual signalling no one wants to see that. And no I am not talking about "diversity" which isnt a issue ( and TLJ jedi had less than rogue one anyway). I am talking about Rose tico God awful speech at Canton blight. Rian was clearly speaking through Rose, hell he could of just made the speech himself.
And I dont disagree with its sentiments, the military industrial complex is a problem, but there where more subtle and less cringeworthy ways to get that point across.
Yes critics love that sort of thing, casual audiences dont.

 

[Campe]

Disney really does need to look at what worked and what hasn't.

Why did rogue one get praise and TLJ slammed ?

Some of us didn't love Rogue One as much as others did. It was a okay war movie and certainly had the best space battles since Return of the Jedi. I get that fans do enjoy it but it didn't resonate with me the way I think it was supposed to. And I know I'm not the only one. I have no delusions to think that there's a majority against it, but, let's not talk for all, okay?

Part of me thinks Rian was writing for the wrong audience.

Starwars has always been about pleasing casual viewers with critics secound.

Rian seemed to write a film for critics first and casual viewers secound, hence why it got praised by critics and slammed by the general audience.

Again, let's not speak for all. Let's do the math. (I really need to have a macro for this.) The movie made $1.3 billion worldwide. That is a lot of tickets sold. Now, I'm not suggesting that box office sales equals quality. It doesn't. We all know this. But there is the whole issue of word of mouth. If that many people thought The Last Jedi was as terrible as some suggest it is, it would never make $1.3 billion. There is something redeeming about the movie that people came to the theater for. Domestically, it made $620.2 million, internationally $712.4 million. Look at the Transformers movies, which people claim is an indication that even crap movies can do better at the box office. But even Dark of the Moon, which is the biggest box office maker of that series, saw more than double in international territories in comparison to its domestic take. It made $352.4 million domestic and $771.4 million internationally. Some territories are typically more interested in spectacle which is why Transformers has done so well globally. But even with 212,710 ratings on Rotten Tomatoes (the poll that a lot of people point to for the negative reaction for TLJ), that doesn't account for that many sales. But perhaps the sample of people who speak poorly about this movie on the internet doesn't quite match the reality outside of it. Not everyone who saw TLJ talk about it on the internet. Not all of them vote in polls. Some of them go to the movies and they like it or they don't. And that's where it ends for them.

I'm not saying that there aren't people out there who hate it. I'm not saying its not divisive. I'm just saying the movie has its fans. It is not a perfect movie, but I do consider myself a fan of it. And again, I know I'm not the only one.

 

[JD]

They did some crazy shit back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(1956_film)#Production_and_cancer_controversy

Wow.

Thing is if you look at rogue one it had the most diverse cast of all.

None of the main heroes where white men. It was lead by a woman and a Hispanic man along with actors of Arabic and Chinese descents. You also had Forrest Whitaker.

The only white men where the bad guys, back ground charsctors or Galen Erso.


Yet I see very few complaints about diversity in those films.

The last Jedi however lost of complaints.

So what is the difference between both of those movies?

Why does one get slated for diversity when the other with more diversity gets a free pass?

The answer to be us shit writing. TLJ is so god awful people are making things up now to bash it. Diversity wasnt a problem. But people are just saying it was to rag in it even more. And I get the hate. But you dint have to make reasons up to hate it as there are plenty of good reasons like disjointed story, bad pace, crap dialogue, preachy soap box speeches, out of place humour, killing off characters in disrespectful ways (ackbar), turning luke into a loser, plots that went nowhere and the borderline racist writing of Finn IE turning a really intresting character into a bumbling black stereotype for comic relief like its 1990.

I think at least part of the difference is that Rogue One was a stand alone movie, so it's not tainting the whole franchise. The Last Jedi on the other hand is the next movie in the main Saga, and so it has a huge impact on the overall franchise.

Until the tv show comes out!

Jason

The Casian Andor series is a prequel, so technically the characters will still be dead.
Kathleen Kennedy has admitted that they are still trying to decide where the franchise is going to go after The Rise of Skywalker.

 

[valkyrie013]

Well for me.. I didn't like rogue one in the theatres.. Didnt hate it but it was a solid meh. Better in rewatches. Tlj I loved in the theatre , and love now. Actually Solo is my favorite "new" star wars movie.
So I am looking forward to Rians movies.

 

[Crazyewok]

So I am looking forward to Rians movies.

Yeah.....
I wouldn't hold your breath cause they got canned.

 

[Campe]

Yeah.....
I wouldn't hold your breath cause they got canned.

Considering the fact that they were just referenced in the Kennedy interview @JD posted above, I think your sweeping statement is incorrect.

 

[fireproof78]

Considering the fact that they were just referenced in the Kennedy interview @JD posted above, I think your sweeping statement is incorrect.

Well, sweeping generalizations is an Internet staple these days. So, it's not worth it to argue otherwise, since actually identifying sources is not a well known skill when it comes to Internet research.

So, I'd just let it go. We'll find out when it comes out