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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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suarezguy said:
I don't think it's snobbish to regret that netflix, maybe amazon, maybe hulu would be the main distributors of artsy and dramatic films, that the older type of distribution and release die out and people have to spend monthly for a channel to have access, let alone that that whole kind of film should die out and artists should have to instead turn their ideas into television series.
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I think you have hit on a point here. It is not the MCU or Blockbusters that are killing off the distribution of smaller, low-effects style films. In many ways it is the technology available. I am going to enjoy The Irishman a lot more on my 70" Samsung and decent sound system on my comfortable sofa than I am in a theatre for 3.5 hours. In fact, most of my life I have watched movies on television--I was a Blockbuster kid. I will now spend money on spectacle films and enjoy the smaller films through streaming. I still rent films I want to see when they are available, and my tastes for other types of films have not changed.
 
A pretty extensive article from Variety about the executive shakeup at Marvel.

Does Kevin Feige’s Marvel Promotion Mean Ike Perlmutter’s Endgame?

Jeph Loeb, who according to sources is expected to leave his post as head of Marvel Television in the coming weeks and is in the market for an overall deal with a new company.
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Family entertainment chief Cort Lane will report to Feige rather than Buckley. Responsible for animation, Lane is said to have long-standing relationships with counterparts in Disney’s corporate-franchises, parks and consumer-products divisions.
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Definitely worth a read.

There are still many questions left to be answered, but this is a step towards clarity.

Quite frankly, it sounds like Feige and Disney know who they need to work to keep and who can go.

Hope they keep Buckley, he always seemed quality.
 
Where's the line for them though I wonder with this "it's not cinema" thing?
I doubt they mean just "MCU" movies because I'd be surprised if they even knew what that meant. So all Marvel movies then? DC as well? Just all superhero movies probably? So even Blade, Logan, Kick-Ass, Wonder Woman, Howard the Duck? (Not Howard!)
They cross a lot of genres, so basically sci fi/fantasy then? Because it's a pretty fine line between one of those and say a Star Wars, Star Trek, ID4, The Mummy, Pacific Rim, Kong Skull Island, etc etc kinda film.

And then.. Lord of the Rings? I mean it won the Oscar guys.. guess that means nothing. Aliens, Terminator, Abyss...? So things like that aren't cinema... but then, what, Van Wilder is? Freddy Got Fingered? Are they ok with them?

Grumpy old directors, you need to tell us!! What are we allowed go see, oh great ones!?
 
Turtletrekker said:
And here is confirmation that Jeph Loeb is stepping down...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/marvel-tv-topper-jeph-loeb-exit-1247867
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Loeb TV properties ideas seemed like they didn't mesh with Feige's planned TV properties.

While the first seasons of Marvel TV’s Netflix dramas cost roughly $4 million per episode, Marvel Studios’ miniseries are expected to clock in at 6-8 episodes each, with budgets of $100 million-$150 million.
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Feige's TV ideas- Cheaper and more inline with the cinematic universe

Loeb- More gritty and small references to the MCU and more expensive.


Basically the Netflix series were not in line with what Marvel Studio's wanted/envisioned

Now with Feige overseeing it he can shape how TV content will represent Marvel.
 
kitik said:
A pretty extensive article from Variety about the executive shakeup at Marvel.

Does Kevin Feige’s Marvel Promotion Mean Ike Perlmutter’s Endgame?




Definitely worth a read.

There are still many questions left to be answered, but this is a step towards clarity.

Quite frankly, it sounds like Feige and Disney know who they need to work to keep and who can go.

Hope they keep Buckley, he always seemed quality.
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If this means Ike Perlmutter while finally be ousted, them I'm all for it!

Ethros said:
Here's the next old white bore moaning about Marvel movies
Ken Loach (83): "Marvel superhero films boring and nothing do with art of cinema
"They're made as commodities like hamburgers, and it's not about communicating and it's not about sharing our imagination"
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Me: Who?

:lol:
 
I've never even heard of Ken Loach.
I would love to know exactly what they are basing their opinions on, Scoreses says he tried to watch them but couldn't, and I don't think Coppola actually said whether or not he's actually watched any of them.
Scoreses's comment is so vague, it's hard to tell exactly what it even means. Did he start one and then turn it off part way through? Or did he think about watching one and then decided he wouldn't like it and not watch it? Did he just watch a trailer?
 
Samurai8472 said:
Loeb TV properties ideas seemed like they didn't mesh with Feige's planned TV properties.



Feige's TV ideas- Cheaper and more inline with the cinematic universe

Loeb- More gritty and small references to the MCU and more expensive.


Basically the Netflix series were not in line with what Marvel Studio's wanted/envisioned

Now with Feige overseeing it he can shape how TV content will represent Marvel.
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It's more the opposite, the Netflix shows were relatively low budget compared to what Feige is putting together for the Disney+ shows.
 
Anwar said:
It's more the opposite, the Netflix shows were relatively low budget compared to what Feige is putting together for the Disney+ shows.
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Agreed. Six episodes of Hawkeye are going to cost 200 million. 200 million! For 6 episodes! Of Hawkeye! Falcon and the Winter Soldier is even pricier. The Marvel shows apparently are going to cost more than the Star Wars shows.

https://collider.com/how-much-did-hawkeye-cost-to-make/?amp
 
Reverend said:
Scorsese and the others of his generation that are grumbling about this are mostly just a little bit slow to wake up and smell the 21st century. It's a little sad because the industry has been headed in this direction since the late 70's; pretty much the moment 'Star Wars' came out
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They are entitled to their views, and even before Star Wars, there were criticisms of blockbusters such as Irwin Allen's The Poseidon Adventure (1972) and The Towering Inferno (1974), as being exactly what the MCU is accused of today: not being real cinema, and a bunch of actors buried in a special effects spectacle with no real character development. Nothing new, so no one should be shocked by Scorsese, Coppola, Aniston, or anyone else making statements about the MCU.


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How the hell did it cost $200 million for the Hawkeye series? I could see that kind of budget for Loki or WandaVision, but Hawkeye seems like something that would be done a much, much smaller budget. That would even seem a bit excessive for The Falcon and Winter Soldier, and they're abilities are a bit more SFX based that Hawkeye's would be.
 
JD said:
How the hell did it cost $200 million for the Hawkeye series?
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It didn't. They haven't even made the damn thing yet. Some folks are just hearing numbers and making assumptions. For example, the assumption that every episode will cost the same price. The notion that every single episode will have the same price is ridiculous.

Now they did mention that Hawkeye is supposedly going to be 8 episodes, compared to only 6 for WandaVision and the others, so that would obviously affect the overall price.

Now, if you gave me a big budget for a Hawkeye show, and told me to spend every penny, it probably wouldn't be too hard to come up with some effects-heavy stories and some big battle sequences. Whole armies of Hydra. Bring back some helicarriers. Other guest stars and whatever.
 
JD said:
I've never even heard of Ken Loach.
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Fair enough yeah I wouldn't expect most non-Brits to have heard much of him. Mainly does Northern English dramas, his most famous are probably Kes from 1969, and more recently I, Daniel Blake from 2016.
Americans would definitely need subtitles for Kes! :lol:

I mean like I say he's 83. To be fair if I were to hear an 83 year old man isn't really interested in Marvel films, I'm not exactly gonna be surprised!
 
Ethros said:
Where's the line for them though I wonder with this "it's not cinema" thing?
I doubt they mean just "MCU" movies because I'd be surprised if they even knew what that meant.
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MCU *is* in a pretty unique position and even category of its own what with having released 23 films in 12 years.
 
More details have emerged about Jeph Leob's departure from Marvel television. While I have generally been a fan of what he has done at Marvel, this article does remind me of a few missteps. Apparently, the failure to get Marvel's Most Wanted, New Warriors, Ghost Rider, the untitled John Ridley project and the Deadpool animated series off the ground factored into things, which I guess I can see being held against him. And as much as most of us here love Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter, they were never exactly ratings giants. Two of the Netflix shows were beset with showrunner problems. The promised big event of The Defenders fizzled out.

And, holy shit! Medusa's CGI "wig" cost $100,000!!!:eek:

Although, I would be quicker to pin that on Ike Perlmutter wanting to do something like Inhumans on a shoestring, rather than Jeff Loeb.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/marvel-tv-topper-jeph-loeb-exit-1247867

Also, it seems as Ike Perlmutter's position with Marvel might be on shaky grounds as well. We can only hope...

https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/kevin-feige-ike-perlmutter-marvel-disney-1203377802/

I love what they did to the picture of Ike that they used.
 
Quoting the article...

"Perlmutter’s politics may also have played a role in his increased isolation from Marvel’s creative endeavors. He is deeply conservative — so much so that one of his first acts upon gaining control of Marvel in the ’90s was to institute drug tests for comic book creators."

...the HELL?
 
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