I'm not I'd qualify TOS as "highly" episode though, since some episodes have direct continuity or refer back to earlier ones, especially at the series went on
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Was watching "What Are Little Girls Made Of" and got to wondering when Andrea says "I am not for you" was she created as some sort of fembot. If the Kirk clone wasn't interested in Andrea then why would the Korby copy make a fembot?
So was Andrea a new unique creation - and for what purpose or was she one of the old one's creations resurrected like Ruk although Ruk looks more alien?
Roger was crated like the Kirk copy but was Korby's assistant done the same way or was his body just reproduced?
And also why was the Kirk copy under Korby;s control?
So was Andrea a new unique creation - and for what purpose or was she one of the old one's creations resurrected like Ruk although Ruk looks more alien?
Roger was crated like the Kirk copy but was Korby's assistant done the same way or was his body just reproduced?
And also why was the Kirk copy under Korby;s control?
Korby did not go to Exo II(I?) alone, he had a research staff with him. Chapel even recognized Brown. Whatever happened to the majority of the staff, Brown and Andrea had both been copied like Korby was, and with Korby copied first, he had control over the rest. Ruk may have been killing the researchers until Korby came up with the idea of making copies. We'll never know.
Is there any particular reason why Korby had to be the first of the three of Korby, Brown, and Andrea?
Are you assuming that Korby got copied and then began his mad plan to take over on Brown and Andrea?
Was Andrea made just to service the folks on the colony?
I don't know that Chapel would have been keen about Korby having Andrea on staff.
If she was research staff would she be going around serving coffee, kissing people on demand, waiting for commands.? Perhaps there was a 'taking over people and turning off free will' switch on machine that Ruk missed the first time and learnt to switch on after Korby?
I just can't believe a clone of Kirk (of all people) wouldn't still be interested in kissing an attractive girl, Andrea was an android and she was interested.
My favorite Andrea story is that Sherry Jackson was embarrassed to be showing so much skin in her skimpy overalls, until she went to the commissary at lunch time. Everyone in the room stared admiringly at her, and she walked the long way around, taking her tray to a table, to make the most of it. I think I got that from Shatner's book Star Trek Memories.
Also, there's an awesome photo of Sherry dancing on the android-making turntable, and Shatner leaping up there to join her.
Also, there's an awesome photo of Sherry dancing on the android-making turntable, and Shatner leaping up there to join her.
My favorite Andrea story is that Sherry Jackson was embarrassed to be showing so much skin in her skimpy overalls, until she went to the commissary at lunch time. Everyone in the room stared admiringly at her, and she walked the long way around, taking her tray to a table, to make the most of it. I think I got that from Shatner's book Star Trek Memories.
Also, there's an awesome photo of Sherry dancing on the android-making turntable, and Shatner leaping up there to join her.
Yes but it's a Shatner book and I think he wasn't that kind. He also mentioned Grace Lee Whitney and her booze and sex addiction, and I didn't think there was any need for that.
Well, she seemed to think it fine that Korby was always away. Perhaps it was one of those relationships that works best when it doesn't?
But Ruk is the subservient one. It doesn't seem he would have had any "master plans" until Kirk first planted the seed of the idea that Ruk could do something on his own.
I'd still favor the model where Ruk ignorantly saves Korby and parts of his team by giving him and them an android body, and Korby is the first to wake up in the new body - by big enough a margin that he has time to hatch plans of world domination, starting with manipulation of his teammates.
How so? Kirk thinks tactically first and foremost; him turning down random opportunities for kissing, petting or copulation is a recurring thing, really. And the clone of Kirk seems to differ very little from Kirk proper.
Whether the putative clone of Andrea differs more from Andrea, or Brown from Brown, is difficult to tell. But I'd assume Korby ('s clone) would experiment with both gross and subtle changes, and his guinea pigs would eventually be grossly altered as the result.
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Putting order to the Korby timeline from the episode transcript:
- KORBY: I was frozen, dying. My legs were gone. I was, I had only my brain between life and death. (I assume Korby has full brain function. I suspect the others with him were worse off or dead.)
- KORBY: Ruk was still tending the machinery when we arrived here. How many centuries? Even Ruk doesn't know. KORBY: I'm the same! A direct transfer. All of me, human, rational, and without a flaw. (Ruk must have found them on the surface, and saved Korby with a full, direct transfer to an android body.)
- KORBY: With his help, with the records I could find, we built Brown. (It sounds like Brown was created much later than Korby which implies Brown was either dead or on life support with sever brain damage or memory loss from oxygen deprivation. I get the feel that he was dead, so, Korby re-created him and programmed his brain with Korby's knowledge of Brown's background. Note that Brown's android had a limited personality and memories of Christine.)
- KORBY: Ruk was programmed to protect my experiments. (Korby learned to program any of the androids with his commands and instructions. Hence, his absolute control of Ruk (to a point), Brown, Andrea, and Kirk bots.)
- RUK: More complex than Brown. Much superior. I was left here by the old ones. (Probably why Korby's reprogramming of him didn't take.)
- ANDREA: I'm like Doctor Brown, an android. Didn't you know? (Could imply that Andrea came after Brown. I see her as a new creation by Korby to test and expand his knowledge of android making.)
- CHAPEL: Given a mechanical Doctor Brown, a mechanical geisha would be no more difficult. (I think we need to trust Chapel's conclusions on Andrea, she's a sex-bot, probably built to remind him of his humanity which it apparently does, and to test his advanced android building skills. At least Korby has a good eye for beauty.
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As I recall, Ruk overrode his programming when Kirk asked Ruk what happened to the old ones (IE once Kirk reminded him of how he over rode it to keep the old ones from turning him off, he was able to override Korby's programming):
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/10.htm
Does this count as another win for Kirk vs. Machine? Kirk's win-loss record is impressive.
Does this count as another win for Kirk vs. Machine? Kirk's win-loss record is impressive.
Nah he hasn't met Skynet yet.
Does this count as another win for Kirk vs. Machine? Kirk's win-loss record is impressive.
It absolutely does. Kirk is human malware.
He also messed up his own android duplicate in that episode.
And Andrea too, by "programming" her to react against the duplicate when it rejects her.It absolutely does. Kirk is human malware.
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re: When Korby was made.
But the question remains, was it the real Korby who made Brown and apparently also Andrea, or had Korby already been duplicated and it was the android Korby who figured out how to make Brown?
Given the description of his injuries, I don't see how we can think anything but that Real Korby was duplicated immediately to save his consciousness, and the android version did everything else.
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That's definitely left for the viewer to decide. Korby (in android form) obviously thinks that's the case; but as Christine Chapel (his former fiancee states (at least in her opinion):
He tells Kirk that "By continuing the process I could've transferred you, your very consciousness into that android. Your soul, if you wish. All of you". He certainly believes that's what happened to him. And clearly there must be controls for such on the machine if he only went half way with Kirk.
