Unless the first wave of Trekspam flops, them doing the Romulan War in some form in the next few years is inevitable.
What if the new Section 31 series...
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It could be someone exposed them widely between ENT and DIS, and then they went into hiding again before DS9.
Many real life departments and agencies change over the years, especially under different leadership. Plus it was kinda implied at the end of DIS S2 that after what happened with Control, Tyler was instructed to overhaul the whole organisation, so it makes perfect sense that the S31 of Discovery’s time is different to S31 of TNG/VOY/DS9.
From the S3 Discovery trailer, I assume that Georgeiou is now Discovery’s Captain. I thought this would happen since the finale, as technically she is the only member of crew who is at that level of command. Plus “officially” she is the Prime Universe counterpart, with few people high up knowing she’s Terran. Will make an interesting story, imo, having having someone so morally corrupt be captain in a Federation that’s falling apart. (I don’t see Burnham becoming captain till at least the final season/episode. The show isn’t just about “Discovery” the ship, it’s also about Michaels own journey of self “discovery”. Her world fell apart in the first episode, where she was so close to the captaincy, so it makes sense that she ends up captain only in the final episodes of the show, hopefully at the end of Season7.)
We know buy 31st Century that time travel exists, so there’s an easy way for Georgiou to get back to her time period. There’s nothing to say that S31 won’t be a multi time period travelling agency, much like the Temporal Agents.
From the S3 Discovery trailer, I assume that Georgeiou is now Discovery’s Captain. I thought this would happen since the finale, as technically she is the only member of crew who is at that level of command. Plus “officially” she is the Prime Universe counterpart, with few people high up knowing she’s Terran. Will make an interesting story, imo, having having someone so morally corrupt be captain in a Federation that’s falling apart. (I don’t see Burnham becoming captain till at least the final season/episode. The show isn’t just about “Discovery” the ship, it’s also about Michaels own journey of self “discovery”. Her world fell apart in the first episode, where she was so close to the captaincy, so it makes sense that she ends up captain only in the final episodes of the show, hopefully at the end of Season7.)
We know buy 31st Century that time travel exists, so there’s an easy way for Georgiou to get back to her time period. There’s nothing to say that S31 won’t be a multi time period travelling agency, much like the Temporal Agents.
I'm also hoping a Section 31 series never happens. I don't really know how to put it into words but when every "non Starfleet approved" action is the result of a super duper "secret" organization, it takes away something for me. Theories that Admiral Cartwright and all this co-conspirators were Section 31 is lame. Basically it takes anything interesting and turns it into stupid spy shenanigans.
Not really related but kind of, but I loved Lorca before he was from the mirror universe. I'm of the opinion that every Starfleet captain isn't all "gee golly wilikers". It was refreshing to see a captain with a different style.
I also thought we were going to be shown how Section 31 would go from an open secret to what we say in DS9. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see it happen.
Not really related but kind of, but I loved Lorca before he was from the mirror universe. I'm of the opinion that every Starfleet captain isn't all "gee golly wilikers". It was refreshing to see a captain with a different style.
I also thought we were going to be shown how Section 31 would go from an open secret to what we say in DS9. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see it happen.
Doug Jones implied in a recent interview someone from the 32nd century would take over as Disco's captain. Which I interpret as meaning Cleveland Book, since IIRC he is in the main cast for season 3.
It's true, in the first season, the only ones on Disco's crew who knew Georgiou was from the Mirror Universe were Michael and Saru, with Tilly quickly working it out and Georgiou telling Tyler for some reason. Then in season 2 she causally mentions being from the Mirror Universe to both Stamets and Culber and outright admitted to Pike exactly who she is in the finale. So everyone in season 3's main cast knows who Georgiou is.
I'm now leaning toward Section 31 not taking place in the 23rd Century. Even if that might have been the original plan, they could've always changed it. First, because they took DSC out of the 23rd Century since they didn't want to keep butting up against TOS. You'd have the same problem with Section 31. They'd be locked into keeping the TOS Status Quo or turning things back into the TOS Status Quo. They probably want Section 31 to be in a situation where anything can happen.
I think Saru is in command of Discovery, at first, because he was in command when they left the 23rd Century. He's never formally promoted to Captain. Georgiou might help Saru get out of some particularly nasty scrapes. But, for that first year they're in the 32nd Century, I think Saru is in command.
Burnham will probably be promoted to the rank of Captain when she meets the new version of the Federation. When they find Discovery, they'll put Burnham in command. At this point, she'll be more familiar with things than Saru is.
Section 31 might not exist in the 32nd Century, as far as they know, but I think they reintegrate Georgiou into Starfleet and make her an Admiral. Which would be the equivalent rank of someone who's the head of Section 31, which she would be if it didn't exist anymore and she was the last one left. All very technical and it explains her being in a Starfleet Uniform at one point in the trailer while not being in one at others.
Burnham will probably be promoted to the rank of Captain when she meets the new version of the Federation. When they find Discovery, they'll put Burnham in command. At this point, she'll be more familiar with things than Saru is.
Section 31 might not exist in the 32nd Century, as far as they know, but I think they reintegrate Georgiou into Starfleet and make her an Admiral. Which would be the equivalent rank of someone who's the head of Section 31, which she would be if it didn't exist anymore and she was the last one left. All very technical and it explains her being in a Starfleet Uniform at one point in the trailer while not being in one at others.
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It's been outright said that the current plans are to begin filming Section 31 immediately after Discovery is finished filming Season 3.
What this suggests to me - since we know it's a Michelle Yeoh vehicle - is that her character is written off of Discovery (through falling through a time portal most likely) some time in the middle of the season, because otherwise she would be in for a very grueling (by modern TV standards) filming schedule.
What this suggests to me - since we know it's a Michelle Yeoh vehicle - is that her character is written off of Discovery (through falling through a time portal most likely) some time in the middle of the season, because otherwise she would be in for a very grueling (by modern TV standards) filming schedule.
If Georgiou isn't Captain of Discovery, she doesn't need to be in every episode. It would be the same as before. We're talking in the dark, of course, but her presence in the third season could be the same as with the first two seasons.
I thought someone on the production team said as much a few months back. I also thought it was stated that it would be in the 23rd century but it could have been stated as in the same period as Disco, which means something different now than it did when they announced S31. I wouldn't doubt that they planned 23rd century but changed it and are now thinking they will also develop a Pike show and don't want to have 2 shows in a canon confined period.
It'd be no different than Lennie James, who filmed season 8 of The Walking Dead, then moved on directly to season 4 of Fear the Walking Dead with only a few days in between.
Section 31 could dance around canon conflicts by keeping everything off the official record. That's apparently how Kurtzman thinks canon can be fixed anyway.
He's not wrong.
No he's not wrong but are we going to end up with an "official" canon and a "secret" canon? That's the thing that soured me the most on Season 2. All this happened but we can never talk about it again! It just seemed like a lazy cop-out.
Well, Pike, Spock, Number One and friends will likely speak of it amongst themselves in their next adventures and the Disco crew will too in the future. I can't see Gerogiou never referencing her adopted daughter in the S31 show.
The classified bit is supposed to explain why none of them or their tech are mentioned in TOS and for that it... sorta... kinda works, if you're willing to nod, wink and play along.
The nod would break my neck and the wink would make me go blind.
I used to think like that, but then I realised that CBS are going for the standard of continuity that franchises like the X-Men "enjoy" ("About a third of it happened, and not like that." - Logan), rather than anything that can be cohesively mapped out and synced up. The 23rd century looks like this now, and has all the technology the Star Trek: Nemesis-era had. It makes zero sense that the Enterprise could launch a fleet of a hundred drones in Disco then never again when battling outpost-destroying Romulans or Khan in the Reliant or any other time it would have been useful, but whatever.
It's like each era is a separate and different adaptation of some nonexistent "true" future history.
I used to think like that, but then I realised that CBS are going for the standard of continuity that franchises like the X-Men "enjoy" ("About a third of it happened, and not like that." - Logan), rather than anything that can be cohesively mapped out and synced up. The 23rd century looks like this now, and has all the technology the Star Trek: Nemesis-era had. It makes zero sense that the Enterprise could launch a fleet of a hundred drones in Disco then never again when battling outpost-destroying Romulans or Khan in the Reliant or any other time it would have been useful, but whatever.
It's like each era is a separate and different adaptation of some nonexistent "true" future history.
It's just kind of frustrating.
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