You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Tell that to Filoni who I got it from
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No, not fallen to the Dark. Fallen away from the light. Not the same thing, at all.
The prequel era Jedi order is portrayed as calcified, institutionalized. It has, quite inadvertently it would seem, drifted away from the true and unambiguous path of the light. They have become both inflexible and dogmatic. This builds from the OT reality that Obi-Wan and Yoda both counseled Luke to take the wrong path where Vader was concerned. But both Yoda and Obi-Wan are clearly acting in good faith, misunderstanding the light rather than rejecting it.
Filoni wrote Han and Chewie? I don't seem to remember that. I do remember Filoni producing 7 years of Clone Wars though. Seems he'd be able a reliable source.
Again, tell that to Filoni. He obviously disagrees and what's onscreen backs that up.
Obi-Wan has a director...
https://www.starwars.com/news/deborah-chow-obi-wan-kenobi-series
https://www.starwars.com/news/deborah-chow-obi-wan-kenobi-series
Just to be clear, Star Wars is the one with the laser swords, not the one with Mr. Spock.
A great choice. Not only is she in good favor with Disney because of The Mandalorian, but she has also worked on American Gods, Better Call Saul, The Man in the High Castle, and Jessica Jones.
Do you have a trademark on that? You seem to love repeating that ignorant statement.
I disagree, so I ask you: in what way does what's on screen back up your assertion?
Because Clone Wars, Filoni's big project in the PT era, even features episodes that show Yoda coming to realize the way in which the Jedi have lost the verse, and trying to grapple with what it might mean and how it happened. That's a pretty clear statement on being lost, not on being corrupted.
And here's the thing, I don't even necessarily disagree with you on the Mace Windu front. The guy goes way over the top in his institutional dogma. The Jedi Order, as an order, first and foremost. Before even the Force. But while he certainly isn't the servant of the light that he believes himself to be, I don't see Windu as fallen into darkness either. Clouded by it, perhaps. Manipulated by it certainly. Mace is the antithesis to Qui-Gon, who is portrayed as the ultimate PT Jedi. Mace Windu, and others like him, are very much why the Jedi fall.
I just don't agree, at all, that they've fallen to darkness. And I'd like to hear some of what you think supports that reading, so that we can look at it in more depth.
Seems like a legit hire. Experience on The Mandalorian presumably played a huge part in this decision, so it must have been a positive experience for both sides.
The ball is rolling! (And I don't mean BB-8!)
You're clearly not watching the same movies as everyone else if you think all the Jedi turned to the dark side. How can someone so spectacularly miss the point of Anakin's arc?
I see where you're coming from. I just think the situation was worse than you realize.
Off the top of my head, Dark Side examples I can think of:
-We have Anakin, Krell, Dooku, and Vos go straight up Sith. Nahdar Vebb, in 'Lair of Grievous', goes Dark Side in taking on the General. Barriss Offee goes totally bye-bye.
-Yoda says in TESB "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack". Yet we have Mace going to execute Palps, who is beaten (I realize this scene can be taken a few ways)... The Jedi are taking the fight to the Seps (they're nothing but soldiers bent on killing during the Clone Wars).
-The Order completely abandons Ahsoka when she's framed, because they are so blinded by the Dark Side. They simply never would have been so quick to shit on her prior to their fall.
-Putting children, who are not fully trained, on the front lines of a war. It was complete desperation caused by fear, which is not the Jedi way.
-There was no balance to the Force because the Jedi, as a whole, fell to the Dark Side. The entire thing was corrupted by the end of the Clone Wars. The few Sith that were out there are not the ones who tipped the scales. It was Jedi arrogance, giving in to fear and aggression ("The Dark Side are they" as Yoda has stated). Fighting people who, from their pov, were truly fighting for their freedom from an oppressor (and they were right).
And the Jedi never realized what had happened... until they saw Anakin's lightsaber getting plunged into their chests a moment before they croaked. No, they're weren't twirling their mustaches* as they went about killing, but they were led by fear, aggression, and hate... all Dark Side traits. For me, this is more than enough evidence they had gone a bit to far to the right. Also, I really don't see a difference in being lost and being corrupted. I see them going hand in hand. They were corrupted because they were lost. Hopefully, you can see where I'm coming from now and why I agree with Filoni's take.
*Actually, I think Krell DID do some eeeevil goatee stroking
In addition to watching the movies, I'm also watching Clone Wars. Maybe you should get the whole story before acting like a pretentious jerk?You're clearly not watching the same movies as everyone else if you think all the Jedi turned to the dark side. How can someone so spectacularly miss the point of Anakin's arc?
Or, you know, put your money where your mouth is and list examples?
I see the source of your confusion. A lightsaber is not the Force.
Wrong. That's nothing more than fan propaganda. It has no canonical support anywhere, is contradicted by George Lucas, and once again misses the point of Anakin's arc to such an astounding degree as to defy believability as a sincere position.
Actually, they are. It's the balance of the Force, not the balance of the Force-users.
That's one hell of a typo! You meant "dark", not "right".... right?
The movies I'm talking about are called "The Phantom Menace", "Attack of the Clones", and "Revenge of the Sith". Again, these are not the ones with Kirk and Spock.
The Clone Wars.... watch it and get a clue little fella.
The movies are not the only Star Wars stories George worked on.
George worked on Clone Wars, he helped form some of the stories, and approved/denied others for production. That's where this idea came from.
Wow, I didn't realize she'd worked on so many great genre shows, she definitely knows her stuff.