Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Despite all of the recent announcements, the rumor mill churns on. This time it reports that there's a Disney+ series in the very early stages of development featuring America Chavez. As always with rumors, take with a grain of salt. However, pretty much every Disney+ rumor that I have heard so far has wound up being confirmed.
https://thegww.com/exclusive-marvel-studios-developing-miss-america-series-for-disney/
https://thegww.com/exclusive-marvel-studios-developing-miss-america-series-for-disney/
I bet there are a lot of ideas out there right now, not all of which will go into development.
Anyone think it a little odd that Marvel seems to have a tendency to make female counterparts to well known heroes, but then have them have little to nothing to do with said counterpart, both in terms of their origin and powers? Spider-Woman, Ms. Marvel, and now Ms. America.
Maybe I'm just too used to the way DC usually does it with the legacy characters, but it feels a little strange to me.
I don't think Ms. America was ever intended as anyone's counterpart. I'm not sure the Ms. America name was ever actually even used all that much. And aren't Carol Danver's powers pretty close to Mar-Vell's? Or are you talking about Kamala Khan? Because she also wasn't intended to be anyone's counterpart (she's literally a Carol Danvers fangirl, that's where her name comes from).
Don't know why exactly Spider-Woman was done the way she was (especially since Spiders aren't exactly known for gliding), but it seems to have worked out in the long run precisely because she's so different that she doesn't fall into the background as much.
@grendelsbayne -- Spider-Woman was created to secure a trademark. To prevent someone else from creating a character with the same name.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-28/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-28/amp/
I meant counterpart not in the protege sense, but in terms of the name and character design. That most deliberately have nothing to do (plotwise) with said counterpart was kinda my whole point.
And yes, I was referring to Kamala.
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Honestly, I think a lot of it is probably just using the name recognition to get people's attention. It might be a bit deceptive, but it does seem to get the books the attention their looking for, so I guess it works.
Is America Chavez even referred as Ms. America that often? It seems like mostly, at least for the last few years, she's just referred to by her real name. Even her solo book was just America, rather than Ms. America.
According to Marvel Comics #1000, which I just read and came out this week, she pretty much is. In the comic itself there is a single page story representing something from for every year of Marvel comics, from 1939 to 2019, with a pop up fact box that commemorates something from that year (although the stories themselves don't necessarily take place in that year).
The story representing 1943 is a page about America Chavez and her backstory called "Fight for Love". The pop up on the page is "1943 - Miss America debuts in Marvel Mystery Comics #49". So, that says that even though they have no story connection, America Chavez is supposed to be the modern version of Miss America.
Yeah, that's what I've always thought too. But then I think they mostly decided to go away from the Miss/Ms thing and just call her America Chavez most of the time. (Perhaps because Marvel can't actually own the name "Miss America"?)
I still don't see how America or Kamala can even be called counterparts in the first place, though.
I assume you're linking Ms. America to Captain America, yes? But the two are very clearly not named for each other, nor was her design really 'inspired' by his. They were just both conceived as symbols of what's great about America itself, but very different symbols (in both character and iconography) because they were conceived in very different eras. The actual Captain America counterparts would be characters like Jack Flag and Free Spirit. Maybe La Bandera. And of course the alternate universe Captain America (Peggy Carter).
And Kamala isn't named for or visually based on Mar-Vell, she's named for and based on Carol for clear reasons that have nothing do with her being a counterpart to anyone.
Just to be clear, I wasn't criticising, just noting the pattern.
And as I said, I'm only talking about them being counterpart from a name & design standpoint. Nothing to do with the characters themselves.
I mean come on, if you can't see a clear visual or at least thematic connection between Cap & Miss America, or Spider-Man and Spider-Woman then I really don't know what else to say!
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I didn't think you were criticizing. And to be equally clear, I'm not trying to criticize you or be argumentative or anything. I just honestly don't see these characters as really connected at all.
ETA: Your post changed while I was typing, so I need to add this - I'm speaking here specifically of America and Kamala. Spider-woman's relevance is perfectly clear to me. But I don't think two characters are automatically relevant to each other just because they were both (entirely separately) conceived as symbols of America. They don't even look that much like each other, though of course red white and blue is the obvious choice for a symbol of America.
For those who thought Downey would inevitably return as the Tony AI (eventually Tony 2.0 ?) :
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/04/robert-downey-jr-set-return-iron-man-joins-disney-show-10682734/
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/04/robert-downey-jr-set-return-iron-man-joins-disney-show-10682734/
Definitely looking forward to that, if this is legit. I hope we get Paltrow back, too, and also Bettany (in some form, not necessarily Vision).