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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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I'm not entirely sure it's so black and white. It seems like Sony needs Disney's permission to make spider-verse tv series, but Disney may not need Sony's permission for tv stuff. Alternatively, it may have been part of their deal that Disney would always be able to reference the movies they made together. Or they may just have back-up episodes lined up to do instead of those two, if necessary, but they haven't decided yet if its necessary.
 
Is there precedent for a television series produced by a particular company legally being able to riff on films produced by another entirely separate company?

Because that's the scenario we're dealing with if Disney is in fact able to keep the promise they made that What If will encompass all 23 MCU films.
 
I think it was just a case that they didn't realize the negotiations with Spidey could go sideways like they did.
 
DigificWriter said:
Is there precedent for a television series produced by a particular company legally being able to riff on films produced by another entirely separate company?

Because that's the scenario we're dealing with if Disney is in fact able to keep the promise they made that What If will encompass all 23 MCU films.
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Wouldn't this more less be what was happening in Star Trek: Picard before CBS and Viacom rejoined? Nemesis was produced by Paramount, and Picard is produced by CBS and at the time CBS and Paramount were separate.
 
JD said:
Wouldn't this more less be what was happening in Star Trek: Picard before CBS and Viacom rejoined? Nemesis was produced by Paramount, and Picard is produced by CBS and at the time CBS and Paramount were separate.
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If you mean at the time of Nemesis, that's not right. Nemesis came out in 2002 and the split was in 2006. Only the Kelvin movies were produced post-split.
 
Black Widow poster, with first look at Red Guardian and Taskmaster.

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YLu said:
Make the original medieval Black Knight an associate of the Eternals or maybe even an Eternal himself. Dane’s his descendant and the Ebony Blade is an Eternal relic. His DNA or whatever makes him the only one who can wield it, so the Eternals induct his unsuspecting self into their world. There, it all dovetails.
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I have wondered if/how they would deal with Sir Percy's Arthurian origins, especially with Morgan LeFay being a part of Runaways season 3.
 
Turns out Valkyrie won't be the first openly gay MCU character, just the first one announced.

In a new interview with Good Morning America, Feige confirmed that one of the characters in Eternals, which comes out a year before Thor 4, will be gay. “He’s married. He’s got a family. And that is just part of who he is,” Feige said. Unfortunately, the clip doesn’t say who “he” is and we’ve confirmed that’s not just editing. Feige isn’t naming names yet.​
 
So, would you want to be the next MCU Avengers based on the characters that are still in and that we know are coming to the MCU? My choices...

Captain Marvel
Black Panther
Scarlet Witch
Ant-Man/Wasp
She-Hulk
War Machine
Black Knight
Photon ( Monica Rambeau)

I went with nine Avengers because that's how many they have in Age of Ultron and it seemed a workable number. I realize there were 10 Avengers involved in the Time heist, but they weren't all working together all at once and you can't do an "Avengers assemble" scene in every movie. ;)
 
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Turtletrekker said:
So, would you want to be the next to like MCU Avengers based on the characters that are still in and that we know are coming to the MCU? My choices...

Captain Marvel
Black Panther
Scarlet Witch
Ant-Man/Wasp
She-Hulk
War Machine
Black Knight
Photon ( Monica Rambeau)

I went with nine Avengers because that's how many they have in Age of Ultron and it seemed a workable number. I realize there were 10 Avengers involved in the Time heist, but they weren't all working together all at once and you can't do an "Avengers assemble" scene in every movie. ;)
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Captain Marvel
Black Panther
Scarlet Witch
Ant-Man
Wasp
Valkyrie
Shang Chi
Monica Rambeau
Falcon
 
Turtletrekker said:
Shit! How did I forget Falcon? LMAO!
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Falcon? I think you mean Captain America! ;)

As for who I'd pick: -
Captain Marvel
Captain America (Sam)
Thor (Jane)
Wasp
Shang Chi
War Machine
Spider-Man (yes, I know! But there's still time...)

Or who knows, maybe by this point the Avengers will be less of an exclusive club and more of a global organisation, like the expanded League was in JLU. In which case: everyone!
 
Christopher said:
If you mean at the time of Nemesis, that's not right. Nemesis came out in 2002 and the split was in 2006. Only the Kelvin movies were produced post-split.
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Yeah, but wouldn't it have still belonged to Paramount even after the split?
But I guess that doesn't really matter now since the companies are back together.

My Avengers:
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Thor (Jane Foster)
Ant-Man
Wasp
Shang Chi
Captain America (Sam Wilson)
Black Panther
Hulk
 
JD said:
Yeah, but wouldn't it have still belonged to Paramount even after the split?
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Star Trek belongs to the same company it's belonged to all along, even though it was confusingly renamed from Paramount to CBS after the split. The Paramount Pictures movie studio only licenses ST from its owner CBS, and has a copyright on the specific contents of the Kelvin films. I looked at the copyright pages of several movie-derived tie-ins that came out post-2006, like Klingons: Blood Will Tell, Unspoken Truth, and Foul Deeds Will Rise, and none of them mention any Paramount copyrights, only CBS.
 
Oh, so it's like the books then, where even though they are published by Pocket Books and their writers, everything still belongs to CBS? Only in this case Paramount makes them, but CBS owns everything in them.
 
JD said:
Oh, so it's like the books then, where even though they are published by Pocket Books and their writers, everything still belongs to CBS? Only in this case Paramount makes them, but CBS owns everything in them.
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Again, where the first 10 movies are concerned, they were from the company that used to be called Paramount and is now called CBS Studios. At the time, the Paramount Pictures movie studio was a division of the same company. It was only after the split that it became a distinct entity.

As for the Kelvin movies, CBS owns the franchise and all the trademarks, but Paramount does have a copyright on the content of the movies themselves, which means they'd need to be paid for the use of anything specific to those movies, e.g. Nero or Captain Robau or Admiral Marcus or Balthazar Edison. Sometimes ownership and the right to compensation are two different issues, and sometimes the reason not to use something is more about not wanting to pay for permission than not having ownership rights.
 
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