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Spidey OUT of MCU

DigificWriter said:
Spider-Man is a film project, but it is not a Disney film project.

People can keep holding out hope it they want, but it's a very feeble venture at this point, IMO.
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It would be part of the MCU, so they’d drag out a Sony exec and make a joint announcement. It would be good PR for both, especially if they got Tom Holland and RDJ on stage to act like they were responsible. The crowd would go nuts, social media would go nuts, and the news sites would go nuts.

Plus there are rumors that a deal was made for a seven picture deal, giving Sony live-action television rights, making Spidey part of future Avengers teams, and bringing Venom into the MCU. Sony would get a 70/30 split of the profits and Marvel Studios would co-finance 50/50.
 
Disney couldn't announce anything Spider-Man -related at San Diego Comic-Con last month, and I doubt that something has changed on that score.

Sony has to be in charge of announcing any new deal because the filmic Spider-Man IP belongs to them.

If a new deal does get worked out, it won't be announced at D23; that announcement will happen sometime in the coming months.

At this point, though, things do not look promising.
 
DigificWriter said:
Disney couldn't announce anything Spider-Man -related at San Diego Comic-Con last month, and I doubt that something has changed on that score.

Sony has to be in charge of announcing any new deal because the filmic Spider-Man IP belongs to them.

If a new deal does get worked out, it won't be announced at D23; that announcement will happen sometime in the coming months.

At this point, though, things do not look promising.
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If you say so.
 
^ Every single article that's been written about this subject has stated that a new deal doesn't seem likely at this point in time, so this isn't just my opinion.
 
How long until Disney buys Sony and puts Spidey back in the MCU in the form of Miles Morales. They could also really fuck over Sony by killing current Spidey in some off screen way were it is implyed since you can't use to many details. Heck if you want bring back Holland as new Iron Man with amensia only we the audience will know. Jason
 
Disney doesn't need to buy Sony to get back the film rights to Spider-Man. The rights revert to them if Sony is bought out by anyone.
 
DigificWriter said:
All of the Marvel Studios announcements happened yesterday, and a new deal has to be announced by both Sony and Disney jointly.

There is no new deal and it's unlikely that there is going to be one.



Because they have more to lose from the partnership falling apart than Sony does due to how integral to the future of the MCU Spider-Man has been made on their end.

Sony can move forward from where Far From Home leaves off without needing to rely on overt connections to the MCU, but Marvel Studios now has to completely abandon any future plans that they may have been looking at involving Spidey that weren't related to his solo adventures and basically write him out of their universe.
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Disney can wait, they've a long history of doing exactly that and they will have no problem adapting projects around the change.

Disney waited nearly eighty years to regain Oswald the Rabbit and have made a fortune out of the very fact of him being a long lost member of the family and marketing the merchandise on that. In the meantime the two companies operate in close proximity within the same industry, they can sit on this for a year, two, three and be uncooperative elsewhere whilst Sony start to see diminishing returns on the property isolated from the MCU which made it so much more successful than the previous iteration.
 
flavaflav said:
From that point of view, of course. But, thems the breaks when a company has completely tanked two takes at a character. The idea, however, that Disney is stealing or bullying or whatever is ludicrous. Disney is doing what successful businesses do which is getting the best deal for themselves. If Sony was good at the movie business, they wouldn't be in the predicament they are in... riding the MCUs coattails. I certainly see Sony's POV on this, but, imo, it's wrong. Cut your losses and sell the rights back to Marvel or make a deal. The clock is ticking on Sony and I think we'd all rather see them go out with some good Spidey films. But, history tells us otherwise.
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You keep saying both of Sony’s incarnations were failures. And that’s just not true. Raimi’s movies were incredibly successful, the first two critically as well.

SM2 is considered a classic.
 
Professor Zoom said:
You keep saying both of Sony’s incarnations were failures. And that’s just not true. Raimi’s movies were incredibly successful, the first two critically as well.

SM2 is considered a classic.
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Sony did fuck up Spider-Man 3, although some of that blame can be directed at Avi Arad who is obsessed with Venom for reasons that were never clear to me.
 
Wasn't Venom very popular in the comics? I didn't read them but even I was kind of familar with the character. Jason
 
Awesome Possum said:
Sony did fuck up Spider-Man 3, although some of that blame can be directed at Avi Arad who is obsessed with Venom for reasons that were never clear to me.
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I tend to agree, but there must be some appeal to Venom that we're missing as both of the movies made with him have made bank, despite the questionable quality.

ETA: @Jayson1 Indeed, Venom was very popular in the 90s and probably into the early aughts, but his schtick grew old to me rather quickly. There was just never enough there for me with the character to sustain a prolonged interest in the character.
 
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