Spidey OUT of MCU
- Thread starter Flying Spaghetti Monster
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Talk about missing the point. The FF's greatest incarnation was in its origins/early years, hence the reason it was once Marvel's best selling comic (during a period in the 60s, it outsold The Amazing Spider-Man), and that was when it was very much a product / animal of those times. That's who the characters were, and both the cold War and Mid-Century sci-fi/fantasy influences Lee & Kirby used to create a super team that was not one in the traditional sense. That Cold War period and the FF of that time were a perfect marriage, which is why that title/concept never reached the consistent heights of its 60s run again.
Every FF movie--no matter the producers, budget or screenwriters have set it in their then-present day, and failed miserably. That is not a series of coincidence, but the price of gutting the heart/defining characteristics from the concept, or graft them to a period where it essence is inapplicable. Again, that is no coincidence.
The FF do not need to be set in the present day, and again, films like Wonder Woman and Captain America - The Frist Avenger prove the point.
Oh, so they're TrekBBS posters?You mean that you haven't heard that Star Trek Discovery is a complete abysmal failure, but they keep renewing it for... reasons? That they put multiple Trek shows into production to cover up the failure of Discovery (and just try to parse that logic) because... reasons? Or that CBS fired Alex Kurtzman months ago but he keeps promoting Star Trek for them because... reasons? Yeah, they're reliable.
Believe it or not we filmed LOTS more scenes that did not even make it into the final cut at all peppered with things........
From that point of view, of course. But, thems the breaks when a company has completely tanked two takes at a character. The idea, however, that Disney is stealing or bullying or whatever is ludicrous. Disney is doing what successful businesses do which is getting the best deal for themselves. If Sony was good at the movie business, they wouldn't be in the predicament they are in... riding the MCUs coattails. I certainly see Sony's POV on this, but, imo, it's wrong. Cut your losses and sell the rights back to Marvel or make a deal. The clock is ticking on Sony and I think we'd all rather see them go out with some good Spidey films. But, history tells us otherwise.
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Again what a load of crap. The FF was a consistent top seller for Marvel all the way through the 1980ies. To try and sit there and say it's only top period was in the 60ies is ridiculous.
Agreed. The Fantastic Four was a hot commodity in the John Byrne era.
I've always been a fan of the Fantastic Four. They were my introduction to Marvel superheroes. But Jonathan Hickman took them to a whole other level. It's no wonder that the writers that followed him were unable to duplicate his success.
So what are they supposed to do?
They're the bigger party and they have the far more valuable portion of Marvel film rights as a property. Are they really going to put themselves in an unfavourable position by throwing more money at a potential deal than they need to, effectively dealing from a position of specific weakness or are they going to grow what they do have at a rate Sony can't compete with?
They shouldn't have walked away from the negotiating table after Sony rejected their demand for a 50/50 profit share.
Oh, sorry, I think I misunderstood, I thought you he was so completely out of his depth there was no way he could possibly handle even one more character, so they purposefully sabotaged the negotiations to get rid of one character for him.
Dan Slott's current run seems to have gotten a pretty good reaction so far.
It's a factor.. he wouldn't spend the time money and effort producing a film that's not his when he has his own films to produce
Of course, but that is not what I was saying. What I thought you were saying was that he couldn't handle even a single other character, no matter who owned it, and I just can't see that being true since they keep adding other characters to their line up. Hell, they just added 4 more characters and an anthology on Disney+, and there's no way they would have done that if he was really that overwhelmed.
they didn't just add those characters, he's know about this for a long time at least a year. and since they are for his company he will go full on into producing them. Why would he produce billiob dollar films for SOEMMEONE ELSE
Access to Spider-Man, who is by far the biggest and most popular character in the Marvel stable.
maybe. But i think if Sony is getting a billion dollars and Disney was only getting a small fraction of that,.. not worth their time. there are other benefits but in the end they upped their deal which proves my point
Disney makes way more money than either of the MCU Sony Spider-Man films have made just through Spider-Man merchandise alone.
They simply got greedy after Far From Home earned Sony a billion dollars (despite already having scored a billion-dollar movie themselves with Endgame), tried to play hardball, and then left the playing field when Sony wouldn't just capitulate to their demands.
Sony was the smart one in this