Enterprise D should not be the flagship
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Please keep your political biases out of this forum. You’re on the edge of trolling with that comment.Starfleet learnt from the current era that multiculturalism and diversity is not a human strength and thus put us pink skins together on our own ships
Starfleet is a human organization. Other species are allowed to join if they meet the requirements whether or not they are Federation citizens. Other Federation planets probably have their own ships, or there are Starfleet ships that have no humans at all, that we just don't see. The Federation doesn't seem to be all that large, and joining it doesn't mean that planets must "give up their sons for the legions."
This was also going to be my response, except when I realize Starfleet has a lot power and jurisdiction in the Federation.
That's where it gets a little awkward depending on how you look at it.
It is the military, and apparently advises the Federation council and president. They negotiate international treaties. Even the Federation "White house" is located on earth.
It seems a little strange a human centric organization is making major decisions for the rest of the Federation, of 150 member planets.
This makes it looks like the other 149 members are just lazy pacifists that sit by and let the humans do all the work.
That's where it gets a little awkward depending on how you look at it.
It is the military, and apparently advises the Federation council and president. They negotiate international treaties. Even the Federation "White house" is located on earth.
It seems a little strange a human centric organization is making major decisions for the rest of the Federation, of 150 member planets.
This makes it looks like the other 149 members are just lazy pacifists that sit by and let the humans do all the work.
As Scotty once exclaimed, "There be whales here!"
However, as you know, the "here" wasn't the Enterprise.
The TNG Tech Man reference to cetacean navigators is on pp. 44-45. The onscreen reference to dolphins aboard in turn is from "Perfect Mate", although there we don't learn whether the dolphins are crew, passengers, inflight entertainment or variety for the menu.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Agreed that the Enterprise shouldn’t have been the flagship, but for a different reason:
It didn’t have an Admiral on board.
THAT is what the word ‘flagship’ means...the ship where an Admiral has his/her flag, usually the lead ship of a fleet which is commanded by said Admiral.
It didn’t have an Admiral on board.
THAT is what the word ‘flagship’ means...the ship where an Admiral has his/her flag, usually the lead ship of a fleet which is commanded by said Admiral.
yes that was already pointed out page 2 of the thread.
Well, on those occasions when you saw ships of other races they had homogeneous crews also, more so than the Federation. And there's little earth diversity on Federation ships either- few blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Inuits, etc. Perhaps we do not progress that far in three hundred years.
Honestly? I legitimately like this theory. There's got to be something we bring to the table. It clearly ain't the best prowess in intellect, skills, telepathy or what have you. So why shouldn't it be our charisma, & social prowess? In this fictional realm, we just happen to be the most social oriented. More than anyone, our chief goal is that we want to go places & meet people, & get to know & interact with them, colonize near them etc...
We're the most inviting. It explains why the HQ is on Earth, why we are just about everywhere, why there's really only a handful of species we don't get along with, & those species are almost always tyrannically oppressive, who'd legitimately have fear & contempt for a species that spreads friendly relations like a damn plague lol
Honestly, there's no reason for species like Vulcans, Klingons, or Ferengi to like us. We are ultimately the polar opposite of how they view life, but eventually we've won each of them over. We're just the best goodwill ambassadors. We just have an innate ability to make almost everyone accept us. We're basically the intelligent... Tribbles. How ironic.
Some species look very much like humans and can be mistaken for humans, so we cannot really be sure what percentage of which species are actually onboard. Guinan looks human, but is in fact El'Aurian. Deanna looks human, but is half Betazoid. We know that there are Vulcans serving aboard the ship. So yes, there are non-human species living and working aboard the Enterprise.
So why join Trekbbs if you don't want to discuss the show.
I didn't like the show when it was on TV and one of my biggest complaints was that there weren't any aliens and when they did have an alien the only difference in the alien was that they had a slightly different face and head. They all had two arms and two legs.
Boring.
My mom loved the show and always watched it.
She told me it was too expensive to have a bunch of aliens, even just makeup.
She said, "just make up aliens with your imagination and watch the show for the stories, which are kind of interesting."
Boring.
My mom loved the show and always watched it.
She told me it was too expensive to have a bunch of aliens, even just makeup.
She said, "just make up aliens with your imagination and watch the show for the stories, which are kind of interesting."
That's the intentional goal of the art direction though, that you can see the real expressions of the human face through the make-up. I've seen Michael Westmore interviews where he discusses this. Aliens like the fish people or Morn aren't going to be able to make as compelling interactions. Likewise with cgi aliens. I never felt any sympathy for the wounded species 8472, or the space dolphins in Equinox, when sympathy is really needed for those stories. Other heavier make-up/prosthetics that totally hide the actor, like the reptilian Xindi(or other more recent examples) feel like power ranger villains to me.
Your mom was correct.
Maybe Earth is the capital because it wasn’t special. Vulcan has been around forever and was very powerful. The militaristic Andorians hated them, and the Tellarites rub everyone the wrong way. Meanwhile Earth’s a newbie of no threat to anyone and willing to make peace and alliances with everyone. Centuries later, it’s the powerhouse.
In my head canon ships are much more diverse, you just don’t see the aliens (especially non-humanoids) just off camera. And, yeah, if the Intrepid and T’Kumbra have all or primarily Vulcan crews, countless other Starfleet ships have crews primarily of the 150+ other memberworlds.
In my head canon ships are much more diverse, you just don’t see the aliens (especially non-humanoids) just off camera. And, yeah, if the Intrepid and T’Kumbra have all or primarily Vulcan crews, countless other Starfleet ships have crews primarily of the 150+ other memberworlds.
You might have a point there, humans were the new kid on the block then Enterprise was set, and at the time, Vulcans were significantly more advanced. That said, it was nice to see how some Vulcans and Andorians put their differences aside, Shren is a good example. I was always amused at how he called Archer 'pinkskin' so much.
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