Allow me to rephrase. The owners have absolute say as to what constitutes canon. And, as you point out, the only people to whom canon really matters are the people doing the shows and the tie-ins.
I preferred the Prime timeline.
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I blame Bryan Fuller for a lot of design choices. Not all, just the ones we know of.
TV must've been great in the '50s. 39 episodes per season. No chance for reruns, except for maybe summer, when everyone was outside. Black-and-White TV with terrible reception. No chance to commit the episodes to memory or watch them ever again. Continuity Debates would be reduced to "my memory versus yours". And for visual continuity? "It all looks fuzzy!"
TOS was never meant to be dissected the way it has been over the years. Which is why I'm comfortable placing either it or Discovery in an alternate universe.
Indeed. An elegant story for a more civilized age
Berman reacted poorly at a convention Q&A years and years ago. His breaking pitchy squeal designated it Canon right then, that Janeway found and returned the Borg baby to its parents, AND that no matter what the #### all the maps say, Caretakers Array in Voyagers pilot was EQIDISTANT-EQUIDISTANT-EQUIDISTANT from Earth and Dominion Wormhole!!!! EQUIDISTANT!!!!
It's too late.
Rick thought he had it nailed down.
He did not.
So he used his super power as a producer, to redefine reality, like a super villain, years after the last episode was in the can, which is not actually a super power that he has.
Sad.
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This.
It wasn't meant to be dissected, it wasn't meant to be examined for continuity, it wasn't meant to be analysed as to what universe it's in.
It was just meant to be enjoyed and maybe provoke the odd interesting question about real life along the way.
And what is it meant to be now?
Much the same, but an awful lot of people seem very determined to do anything but enjoy it.
I love Discovery and it looks like I'll like Picard more than I thought. I think it's too bad that some people just don't know how to bow out gracefully when they've had enough.
Well, if those easily led sheep could stop liking things the complainers don't like, we'd all get along fine.
Like Borg motivations in attempts to keep them and the franchise exciting. Which, arguably, started as early as "The Best of Both Worlds", even referenced by characters. If only such changes were all as deftly handled.
As with most shows, the law of diminishing returns exists when continuity rules are followed as ideas to remain behind those imposed constraints are fewer... A proverbial cul de sac is created. The diminishing starts to accelerate the more continuity rules are shifted even if there are blips of rekindled interest. What shows have no continuity? what shows could be exempt? Anthologies like "The Twilight Zone" where villains are not re-used except those bypass the issue of continuity, while keeping the same desired tone unchanged. Easy to see why... until viewers get tired of the series' tone.
If a TV show is like a game for us to spectate rather than participate, with rules for characters and situations to fall behind, if characters do new things despite established attributes, for no reason, do they hold up? The longer a series obeys its own rules then breaks them, the less likely audiences care for big changes, to the point the changes become apocryphal and people asking why new antagonists are invented instead. Or tone. Or other qualifier, and audiences' expectations invariably vary. Especially for those longer-term fans but even casuals have their own expectations too.
Or how to win the complainers over to the pastures? There are always two, three, or more ways to look at things, one involves comparatively less complaining but encouragement and/or more clinical/objective means instead...
I find the entire premise of this thread and the original poster's attitude to be deeply depressing. The OP has clearly never watched DISCOVERY and hasn't engaged with the PICARD trailer or interviews or panels at all. All the OP cared about is whether PICARD would be part of the feature film timeline or the original timeline. The OP clearly hasn't even watched DISCOVERY, but has dismissed it on the assumption that it's set in the movie continuity when it isn't.
When corrected on that, the OP's overall follow up has been wondering if some future producer might declare the rebootquel movies apocryphal. Even if you are concerned with that, the rebootquel clearly established in dialogue that it is "an alternate reality," that it is separate from the previous TV shows and movies, and that the original timeline continues to exist independently. The two timelines continue on parallel and separate paths. The Kelvin track has absolutely no bearing on the Prime version. Which means that the OP's continued complaints and wishes are over a non-issue, an incredibly superficial concern of what's at best branding.
The Kelvin timeline has no relevance whatsoever to whether or not PICARD will be good. The Kelvin timeline has no effect at all on whether or not the Prime timeline content will be enjoyable. At this point, I don't even think there'll be another Kelvin timeline production given the underperformance of BEYOND and Chris Pine declining to renegotiate his salary.
It's a bit like refusing to eat a meal you claim to like because you don't like the tablecloth under the plate; it's relentlessly obsessing over something that is not only trivial but has no meaningful effect on the experience whatsoever.
When corrected on that, the OP's overall follow up has been wondering if some future producer might declare the rebootquel movies apocryphal. Even if you are concerned with that, the rebootquel clearly established in dialogue that it is "an alternate reality," that it is separate from the previous TV shows and movies, and that the original timeline continues to exist independently. The two timelines continue on parallel and separate paths. The Kelvin track has absolutely no bearing on the Prime version. Which means that the OP's continued complaints and wishes are over a non-issue, an incredibly superficial concern of what's at best branding.
The Kelvin timeline has no relevance whatsoever to whether or not PICARD will be good. The Kelvin timeline has no effect at all on whether or not the Prime timeline content will be enjoyable. At this point, I don't even think there'll be another Kelvin timeline production given the underperformance of BEYOND and Chris Pine declining to renegotiate his salary.
It's a bit like refusing to eat a meal you claim to like because you don't like the tablecloth under the plate; it's relentlessly obsessing over something that is not only trivial but has no meaningful effect on the experience whatsoever.
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They basically did when they made The Plagiarism Awakens.
Apparently, it's a lot more fun and exciting to be angry.
It never ceases to amaze me how "I don't like it" somehow translates for people into "it shouldn't be allowed to exist."
Man, talk about denial of reality.
Is it really plagiarism when you own the original?
No they didn't.
The term is homage!
As Trek fans we should be familiar with such homages.
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