The court ruled no.
I preferred the Prime timeline.
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Lucas was plagiarizing A New Hope long before Disney got involved with Star Wars. First with Return of the Jedi and again with The Phantom Menace.
I prefer my Trek Homage with a lot of cheese and plenty of crackers.As Trek fans we should be familiar with such homages.
(and more than a touch of garlic)
Wasn’t Roddenberry dead by the time The Undiscovered Country came out? How did he have time to decanonize the thing?
IIRC, Roddenberry did get to view a rough cut of the film just before he died. It's reported that when it was finished he actually said something like "not bad." But after the film's theatrical release, Roddenberry's lawyer made the claim Gene hated the movie and declared it non-canon. No one took him seriously.
I don't know where else to put this thought I had, so I'll put it here. The issues of canon and continuity mainly stem from TOS, the first six movies, ENT, the Kelvin movies, and DSC. You have five different versions of "early-set" Star Trek made by five different creative teams. All very different from each other. Which creates all kinds of arguments. Sometimes fun, oftentimes not.
TNG, its movies, DS9, and VOY all have a "sameness" to them. That sameness made it easy to get sick of (and I got really sick of it for a while, after a certain point), but it also means less continuity problems, less stylistic problems, and less trying to figure out how it fits together story-wise or appearance-wise. PIC is the first season of a new series but it's also really the 22nd season of the TNG/DS9/VOY lore. And this is the first time someone at the top hasn't been involved with those series before and he seems to be sticking pretty close to it. If I'd never seen Disco or the Kelvin Films, I'd just chalk up any visual differences as just being the difference between 2002 and 2020. Just like the difference between 1987 and 2002. In fact, it looks like there's less difference between Nemesis and Picard than there was between "Encounter at Farpoint" and Nemesis.
TNG, its movies, DS9, and VOY all have a "sameness" to them. That sameness made it easy to get sick of (and I got really sick of it for a while, after a certain point), but it also means less continuity problems, less stylistic problems, and less trying to figure out how it fits together story-wise or appearance-wise. PIC is the first season of a new series but it's also really the 22nd season of the TNG/DS9/VOY lore. And this is the first time someone at the top hasn't been involved with those series before and he seems to be sticking pretty close to it. If I'd never seen Disco or the Kelvin Films, I'd just chalk up any visual differences as just being the difference between 2002 and 2020. Just like the difference between 1987 and 2002. In fact, it looks like there's less difference between Nemesis and Picard than there was between "Encounter at Farpoint" and Nemesis.
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From what I recall he and Meyer spoke a bit and Meyer regrets that conversation as that was the last he had with Gene and Gene was apparently not happy with the film.
Gene supposedly hated the idea his Starfleet officers (particularly Kirk) could be racist. This, 25 years after "Balance of Terror" which featured a racist Starfleet officer.
Personally, my only issue with Racist Kirk is that it came immediately after him sharing a friendly drink with Klingons at the end of STV: TFF.
Personally, my only issue with Racist Kirk is that it came immediately after him sharing a friendly drink with Klingons at the end of STV: TFF.
I don't think he was actually in a position to formally "de canonise" anything. (whatever that actually means)
Well, he once removed the animated series from canon, but after he passed it was slowly re-established into the official lore.
What exactly does "removed it from canon" actually mean?
What does it look like in practise?
Does money stop changing hands? Is there a change in its' legal status? Does it stop being shown?
Or does it just mean fans have an empty meaningless statement to throw at each other in arguments which have still got no nearer to conclusions (or even purpose) decades later?
Memory Alpha cites Star Trek Movie Memories in this regard:
From what I understand, it basically means that the writers of new shows/movies are not to consider the non-canonized stuff as reference material that they have to base the new stuff upon. So no sequels or follow-ups to the non-canon stuff, and it doesn't matter if it gets blatantly contradicted.
Kor
Source. That doesn't specifically mention "de-canonizing" or "de-canonization" or whatever the term would be.Memory Alpha said:
From what I understand, it basically means that the writers of new shows/movies are not to consider the non-canonized stuff as reference material that they have to base the new stuff upon. So no sequels or follow-ups to the non-canon stuff, and it doesn't matter if it gets blatantly contradicted.
Kor
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In reality, all it meant was that the writers room didn't have to adhere to it. To the fans, it meant changing the holy writ.
don't forget that scene also showed the enterprise crew put sybok's band of (vaguely) alien rebels to work serving drinks in the lounge. racist kirk is back in play.
The only way that that would have been possible, is if Kirk had brain washed those terrorists with a psychotricorder.
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Every time Kirk gives latitude to his passengers, they take the ship from him.
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I think it hold the record for most hijacks
In the case of TAS, it just meant no other ST productions were to recognize/incorporate a production into the official narrative. Thankfully, Roddenberry's rejection of TAS was eventually tossed out of the window, since its arguably the last ST production with the most TOS participants involved--even more than the TOS movies. That, and at the time of its creation, Roddenberry saw it as a natural sequel/extension of TOS, so all he ended up doing was fighting against his own, earlier beliefs.
Which is my point, it's pretty much an empty concept, especially given how much trek contradicts itself anyway.
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