Is The Disney Company a hoarder that destroys our favorite franchises?
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Yes.
1. I don't mind how things are now.
2. It's his fault he wanted to have an end?
3. If you do see a problem with now, the lack of creativity of others is NOT on George Lucas.
Oh, no! Those poor writers and their limited imaginations! We should do a gofundme.
You so silly.
Could've would've should've. He did a couple of side movies with the Ewoks. He did cartoons.
But, maybe he wasn't fucking interested in doing side movies.
It's not HIS fault he didn't run his fucking franchise up to your fucking standards.
Oh, go fuck yourself. That's such a ridiculous criticism. What, should he come over and wipe fans asses too? It's not his fucking job to take care of a bunch of entitled fan boys. He earned the right to make the movies HE wanted to make.
Maybe they should've been prepared better.
Nope.
Most OT fans do.
More or less, yes.
It is when he was the reason why they had nothing to work with.
It's not that they're limited, it's that Lucas robbed them of most of the options they had for writing sequels with.
Yes, he should have.
It's his fault for not turning over the series to someone else when things were going better and leaving some tools to work with.
Look at Kevin Feige and how he carefully set things up so fans of the MCU could handle Iron Man's death and the creation of new leads and stories.
They should've been prepared for the deaths of Luke and co, and it's Lucas' fault for letting them think Luke and co were immortal.
Should have? Or else what?
He did turn over his materials. They chose to go a different direction and Lucas respected that.
And his ST went to some interesting places, namely with the midiclorians.
How did Lucas let them think they were immortal? That makes no sense.
If he had, then SW would've been more sustainable. Like the MCU.
It happened too late. 35 years too late.
It still had Luke at this reclusive Hermit, which would piss off OT fans just as much.
He wouldn't let the EU Novels kill them off and wouldn't let his own writers start killing them in the OT (even though everyone except Lucas wanted to kill Han in ROTJ).
If he'd started killing them in the OT, then the ST wouldn't get flack for daring to kill any of them.
It's Buzzfeed reporting this, so take this with as big a grain of salt as you need, but supposedly Disney have greenlit a film based on the Knights of the Old Republic setting.
Yeah, the way so many of those "Rian Johnson KILLED STAR WARS!!!!!" Youtube vids have Rose Tico or Finn as the thumbnail makes it nice and clear what some of these people think the real problem is.
The MCU is built upon umpteen decades of Marvel products to draw fun. SW is not the same and its unreasonable to expect that type of output.
Oh well. Lucas can't change that and saying he "should" have doesn't change it. We have no idea what that would have meant to SW.
Oh, well. ESB and TPM still piss me off too.
Really? People need their hand held to know that people can die? That's absurdity to the next level.
I think that's kind of a stretch. The OT fans I know face to face either really enjoyed TLJ or at least thought it was OK, except for one guy I know who wouldn't have been happy with anything unless it was written by Timothy Zahn and strictly followed the old EU.
Also, the fact that people who enjoy a thing tend to be a lot less vocal about it than people who really, really hate that same thing makes it difficult to make any kind of statement about what most fans think.
No, he didn't care about the expansion of the universe, he had his story that he wanted to tell about Luke, and then Anakin and he told it. When Lucas made both of his trilogies, cinematic universes like the MCU's weren't really a thing yet, at least not like they are today, so it's ridiculous to look back and be mad that he didn't do that.
When he made the original trilogy, he probably didn't think the it would ever be about anybody other than Luke and Co.
When he made the original movie, before he started talking about nine movies and such, he talked about how his goal was to create a universe that others could play in. He imagined different movies by different creators telling stories in the Star Wars universe. Originally Star Wars was the first chapter in the "Luke Skywalker Chronicles" or some similar title.
Yep.
Unless you’ve taken a poll, you’re mistaking your opinion for fact.
As for the rest: it’s all bullshit. No artist is beholden to a fan. And from the point Lucas was self financed he was free to do as he pleased. You’re not happy about it, but until Disney bought LucasFilm, George was free to do what he wanted with Star Wars. It was his, regardless of how many of us loved it.
Look at Kevin Feige adapting source material that is ongoing 25 years after Lucas wrote the end to the story he wanted to tell.
You’re posting entitled nonsense.
It’s their fucking fault for standing in line dressed as a Jedi. Lucas didn’t make them unable to deal with change. They are grown ass adults.
It's not unreasonable to think that there's more to SW than just the Skywalkers.
And I am free to point out how he is at fault for not having done more.
When the person dying in question is Han Solo or Luke Skywalker, apparently yes.
Nope.
Check how many articles and youtube videos rip into the ST compared to defending it.
And what he did (next to nothing) was detrimental to SW in the long run.
He wanted there to be more than Luke and co, but he wasted time.
Which doesn't change that Lucas did things that gave the illusion that Luke and co couldn't die.
Nope, it's going to get a lot worse until someone eventually starts lashing out with baseless personal attacks and everyone involved updates their ignore lists.
God, I am so sick of the YouTube obsession! You have a handful of whiny ass babies who suddenly have a voice because they have a camera with a couple of thousand subscribers and it’s an overwhelming majority?!?!?
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
It’s called a vocal minority. It is easier to monetize negativity because that’s the world we live in right now. $5 says that the majority of these assholes don’t even believe what they say. They’re playing characters because they would rather make videos than find a real job! And some of the people who watch the video will believe anything the glowing box will tell them!
My god. It is all opinion dressed up as news. Not facts. When are people going to realize this?
I already know that...
To what end? This discussion is a bunch of "what ifs?" and there is no evidence that if Lucas had kept going it would have automatically been better or expanded the franchise.
No. That's hand holding the audience to a level that is borderline insulting. Audiences do not need their hands held, no matter what complaints are posted online.
Perhaps when everyone figures out what primary sources means.
YouTube videos!? Oh, no! I didn’t know! And there’s a lot of them you say!?
If only I had known!! It’s not like someone would put up a hot take to get a click!
I mean, YouTube... it’s a THING!! You must be right because ... YouTube!!
Lol.
This is a discussion about whether Disney destroys franchises--it seems it is getting off topic. The argument had been that people felt it destroyed SW because Disney threw out the EU and TLJ misinterpreted the character of Luke. The latter point is really subjective and regardless of what x number of Youtube videos say, it is really a matter of opinion. There are both supporters and detractors of this opinion and neither can claim to be definitive. I would argue that although there are those who don't like the direction of the recent films, the answer is a resounding "NO, Disney did not ruin the franchise!" (at least yet). Neither has Disney ruined the MCU as the MCU has always been a part of Disney. Obviously PIXAR is still going strong.
Where this thread is at now, is a debate over the merits of TLJ and there are threads already established for that.
Where this thread is at now, is a debate over the merits of TLJ and there are threads already established for that.
First day on the internet?
I find it a strange argument that Disney has destroyed Star Wars when their films have grossed how many billions of dollars? They are using a Star Wars show to launch their streaming channel. With more to come.
How many franchises would like to be ruined like this?
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