Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?
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Because we like this cast and these characters.
The petition's not "based on the safest possible approach." It's based on what people want to see.
That's not complicated.
There's no advantage to introducing April, who's really nothing but a name.
If 5 years ago I would say that we would get a new show about Picard you would probably say that I was being unrealistic.
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I personally don't see a Pike series as a pure nostalgia fest as we'd never seen the character properly fleshed out before prior to Season Two of Disco so I see Pike as a relatively new character in some respects and a series would fill in an interesting gap in the show's history. Whilst Spock would be present, I don't see it as the same thing as say the Abrams movies.
Far from being “what people want to see”, that’s actually “what people are willing to settle for from the current offering.” There is no element of the petitioners looking to be astonished by the unexpected, merely given more of something that seemed to work better than the rest. Such a philosophy just isn’t Star Trek, and I often wonder how much of the fandom really gets the uncomfortable, exploratory nature of the franchise at its best.
To be honest, they should just have integrated the DISco-crew into the Enterprise, or kept Pike a bit longer on DIS.
I think the Pike-Burnham combo worked much better than the Pike-Disco-Spock one this far. And No.1 is fine, but no replacement for Owosekun/Detmer. In fact, out of the entire new enterprise crew, set and ship.... It's really only Anson Mount that has won me over. I'm really 'meh' on the rest of it.
I think the Pike-Burnham combo worked much better than the Pike-Disco-Spock one this far. And No.1 is fine, but no replacement for Owosekun/Detmer. In fact, out of the entire new enterprise crew, set and ship.... It's really only Anson Mount that has won me over. I'm really 'meh' on the rest of it.
No. Just no.
Perhaps you missed that my post was a reply to a wish for Discovery and S31 to be cancelled in favor of Pike. I stated Picard should be cancelled too.
As the Pike turns.
That would just be even more backpedaling. As a viewer I never want to see a show that isn’t bursting with confidence. I want to see it pick a direction and prove the naysayers wrong. If I thought that S1 was OK, show me a smooth transition into an improved S2, with parsimonious development of main character threads. “No surrender, no retreat.”
I don't know. I think a bit of introspection is nice, and everybody makes mistakes. But I prefer a show that has a solid story to tell, and not one where the story is a byproduct of marketing research/popular brand elements.
I think season 2 did it both amazing, and completely dropped the ball later on. When they introduced Klingon hair, the traditional icon, the coloured uniforms - all that shit was nice, because it was just tiny background elements and didn't distract from the major story of the red angel and the seven signals.
When they completely curve-balled their main storyline, and sacrificed the main logic and thrust of their story to create a scenario to take the ship into the future and classify their previous adventures - that was stupid. Because it was the background elements suddenly dictating the main story, and sacrificing their main villains' motivation, reasoning, and acting to instead focus on stuff that's really only background noise.
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Regardless of intent, it does come across as pandering to criticism because of the specific elements being addressed. Having already seen the physically discontinuous Enterprise, why should I care that the other bits are also different? Maybe in “DiscoVision” the Klingons do look that way, maybe they’re an orthodox subculture soon to be displaced by invaders from K’lai Klinzhai. Maybe Pike’s crew could’ve worn undershirts in “The Cage” colors. Local consistency is more important than mere lip service (like showing a “starship class” dedication plaque after we’d already seen them with traditional class names).
I don’t think a showrunner would be that worried about canon. Hopefully they merely decided to develop their own successful storyline without the safety net of the 2250s, but in the context of the first two seasons it looks like a second retooling. A better choice would’ve been to stick to 2258 and let the fan service fall by the wayside, with Discovery voyaging far from Kirk’s route as a science vessel after the war.
Yeah, I never understood why they never simply put the Discovery into a region where no one's ever gone before?
I mean, they hype the 32nd century up as a completely "unexplored" space. But what do they meet there? A fucking human called "Cleveland Book". Next up: Klingons, Romulans, and remnants of the Federation. Ugh. I would give real money if they would introduce a single main alien species that is actually a new addition to canon.
No pleasing anyone.
A showrunner isn’t supposed to “please anyone”, merely stay true to the structure under construction.
In answer to this thread's title, yes!
For the most part I have loved Discovery. It has been a bit uneven but overall compelling. This last season (S2) really ended in a way that had us wanting more Captain Pike. On top of that, I believe, Section 31 is best used as a seasoning and NOT an actual dish. The biggest disease to strike both Star Wars and Star Trek is that of the over explaining of things. Not everything needs, deserves or demands an tell-all origin. These shows exist within their own bubbles and it seems the longer they go one the more the producers seek to pop them.
For the most part I have loved Discovery. It has been a bit uneven but overall compelling. This last season (S2) really ended in a way that had us wanting more Captain Pike. On top of that, I believe, Section 31 is best used as a seasoning and NOT an actual dish. The biggest disease to strike both Star Wars and Star Trek is that of the over explaining of things. Not everything needs, deserves or demands an tell-all origin. These shows exist within their own bubbles and it seems the longer they go one the more the producers seek to pop them.
Problem is timing, how long until one or all 3 of them get attached to another show and are unavailable for a Pike series. The need to do something soon it they hope to get all 3 of them.
And yet that is the expectation
