Oh, people didn't wait to be outraged by Discovery until it aired. Why wait for Picard?
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Oh, people didn't wait to be outraged by Discovery until it aired. Why wait for Picard?
While I take this point, we also know there have been rethinks/reshoots along the way, and that aspects of what has been revealed so far have been somewhat in contrast with Stewart's "very rigid rules". At this stage, 4 of the 7 TNG main cast have been confirmed, alongside one former guest actor who appeared three times on TNG as a very prominant (and, like 7, potentially plot important, given what we know) character, and one cast member from Star Trek: Voyager. Whatever Stewart's original demands, it appears there have been some compromises along the way.
I'm not suggesting I want fan service, or even if fan service is a particularly good thing. But at this stage, given what has been revealed so far, I honestly don't think we can rule anything out...
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My crazy fan theory number 3...
... and I swear I have no idea, so if I'm right here then, no spoilers intended, it's an absolute fluke...
... the young people are the *literal* Next Generation. A group of children from the Enterprise D, maybe the very same ones whose names are on the Captain Picard Day banner in the trailer, who have grown up and tracked down the man who is a living legend to them, to be 'their Captain' one more time on whatever dangerous mission they're on. That's why the Romulan hints at him "becoming the Captain they want you to be", why Picard recalls this particilar young lady as special, perhaps in link to a Borg incident, why he says "Engage" in the particular way he does, it's a kind of 'Galaxy Quest' esque story about a reluctant hero having to live up to his reputation, tying way back to Picard's worry about 'being put on a ship in charge of children' and having to be seen as a role model as mentioned way back in TNG's pilot episode.
Watch the trailer again with this in mind, and tell me it isn't possible.
I think that your story is better and deeper than anything these writers could have hoped to have come up with.
Just my opinion.
My random thought.... I wonder if the red herrings on the identity of Discovery Season 2's big bad only become so once Picard went into planning, and using The Borg was taken off the table? Originally they may have been bread crumbs and not red herrings. (Possibly the second time the season was diverted.)
Stewart’s only putting on the uniform because he says it makes sense in the context of the flashback.
And it looks like all the veterans bar him are either one off guest stars or recurring, but it’s enough to give fans that nostalgic kick. It’s not a Reunion but all these people are part of Picard’s life. Also it means, since everyone has moved on they’re doing something different with them. Hopefully they won’t do a ‘These Are The Voyages’ and go too far back again!
The ‘wildcard’, Seven, makes sense as she’s an ex-Borg, as is Picard, so it is interesting in a sense that they have a common experience and it is in keeping with canon. Plus there is an audience who’ll know who she is (here in the UK Voyages was very popular)
Other than the fact there's many, clear and large differences between TOS-Voyager and DIS/Picard, yeah they're in the "same universe."
Ignoring the visual changes, what's inconsistent about the timeline at this point? I mean, moreso than some of the things that happened in Enterprise that didn't match with the TNG/DS9/VOY chronology.
There have always been crazy deus ex machina in Trek (time crystals, slipstream drive, transporter de-ageing, spine replacement surgery, cloaked self-replicating mines) that have been forgotten when they could have been useful later. It's just the nature of this type of science fiction.
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A video on YouTube said it, so it must be true.
Whilst I'm much more excited about Picard, I have enjoyed Discovery thus far. If anything, after Picard was announced I enjoyed Disco more as I stopped feeling frustrated that the franchise seemed destined to be a series of prequels in some shape or form.
I think ultimately though, growing up with the 24th Century stuff, it's got an emotional connection and a nostalgia factor that Disco just won't ever have for me.
Being a Picard show, having Patrick Stewart, Spiner, Jeri, etc will probably not make it any less divisive. A bunch of people will love it. A bunch will hate it. And we'll all argue about it for a few years
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I've always felt like the latest installment gets the most grief, but when the succeeding series comes along, it takes all the heat off the previous one. although, I'm sure this series has a bit more good will going for it at this point.
This! Personally I'm hopeful and my personal bar is low; so long as it's better than Nemesis, I'll be happy. It's not that I hated the movie per se but I don't think it was the best wrap-up for that era of Trek. The fact that Stewart was vehemently against reprising the character (I, for one, never thought we'd be seeing him as Picard again), but was swayed by how good he thought the ideas for the series were gives me hope.
Yes because I think that it sounds like a way too much fan wank......although I will admit it makes me wonder about the banner being present. I just think it would be unrealistic for the entire crew......@Lance might be onto something with one of them saving the banner and being part of the mission. We will see.
As for the writers, they are professional, award winning writers. How many awards you got on the shelf for writing? I think they will do just fine.
That's disingenuous. Production designs, worldbuilding details, even character backstories changed between series and series, hell, sometimes even within the show.
Does that mean TOS' first 19 episodes are in a "different universe" because the ship was part of the United Earth Space Probe Agency until it was suddenly Starfleet in Court Martial? Is everything from the TOS movies onward in a "different universe" because the Klingons look different? Is DS9 in a "different universe" because the Trill were retconned so much from their debut in TNG they might as well be a different species?
As much as I like the enthusiasm of fans when it comes to figuring out connections and backgrounds and sussing out how things might go together, pretty often I get really annoyed when "canon" and "continuity" are treated like holy writ or some inalienable thing, when in reality it is and always has been something that changes between different shows or even in the same show depending on who the creators are at any given point, or how technology, prosthetic materials, or filming techniques had changed. It's a show. No, a series of shows spanning decades and dozens of different creator teams. Things are going to be changed, retconned, or updated for modern audiences, just like they've always been.
....So in other news. Is Picard really a 24th century show? Wouldn't it be a 25th century?
Poor Enterprise...
Tim Russ made a fan film?
Maybe Picard will team up with Dropo to get the kids Mars to believe in Santie Claus. Jason
In the same shot as the banner you can see some of the awards that were on show at the Picard museum display, so it’s more likely to be Picard that has the banner.
I don’t think so. That appears to be the interior of a ship, or a building that isn’t his house
Its set in 2399, so yes it’s still technically the 24th century
....So in other news. Is Picard really a 24th century show? Wouldn't it be a 25th century?
Poor Enterprise...
Tim Russ made a fan film?
My bad I forgot ENT but add it to the list
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Depends on the source, it is either 2399 or 2402. Probably one of the reasons we still don’t have a subforum, admins don’t know how to label the show.
Well, Enterprise is a special case because it's the only show that's canon in both Prime and Kelvin verse.
We don’t know that for sure.
They’re 7 episodes in, starting episode 8 today. They started shooting at the end of April, and they usually shoot 2 weeks per episode. It lines up fine.
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