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Donny's Refit Enterprise Interiors (Version 2.0)

Csalem said:
It is fascinating watching the Enterprise come together in this thread. Seeing the cargo-deck and shuttle bay really changes your perspective on the Enterprise and how it was put together. With so much space dedicated to both, the secondary hull really does feel 'secondary' and can imagine that most of the crew's primary activities do take place in the saucer section. Almost like it is the house and the secondary hull is the garage...if that makes sense.
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Even with the cargo bay/shuttle complex taking up such a large space, I still have a few gems in the secondary hull I can't wait to get to. Other than engineering up at the top of the hull (yes, I will be giving my previous version from 2015 a facelift), there's also the botanical garden. MSGTTE also has a botany lab directly aft of the garden, and then the ship's swimming pool placed at the aft end of that deck, which I think would be fun to imagine. The guide also has some engineering support facilities like the primary maintenance complex (which would be fun to prop out) complete with large industrial fabricators, and a turbolift maintenance facility somewhere in there as well.

And let's not forget that the cargo bay complex itself has it's own transporter facility that I've been itching to model for years, as well as various lounges that are between the cargo bay's upper level and the hull, plus the lifeboat section flanking each side of the cargo bay's mid-level.

There's a ton of fun stuff in the engineering hull...much of which we've never seen!

God. I'm salivating. Like I said, still totally invested in this project. I just have to recharge my batteries for a bit!
 
Donny said:
Next up is the Reliant bridge, as seen in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan"
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Hi! I just discovered this thread. Amazing work.

I'm curious about those aft stations flanking the turbolift on the Reliant bridge. Would I be correct in assuming that you invented their labels? The port station on your version has labels relating to pulsar timing arrays, which is a principle of gravitational-wave astronomy that wasn't conceived until the 1990s, so it'd be a freakish coincidence if a 1982 set component was labeled that way. Assuming you did invent the labels, do you know what the original labels for those consoles said, if anything?

And have you thought of names for those stations? The starboard station seems like some sort of long-range sensor status monitor, with references to telemetry and antennae and such. Which makes sense, since it's next to the science station. As for a pulsar array station, in addition to their use in gravity-wave astronomy, pulsars could also serve as a navigational and chronometric reference standard, so maybe the port aft station is the equivalent of the "navigational subsystems check-out" station on the TOS bridge. But it seems they must only be some kind of status monitors rather than real control stations, because you can't control much with just those six big lever things.
 
^Yes, of course. The fact that all three words are used indicates that the labels were derived from that concept, just varied a bit so there'd be more than one of them. Although I don't see any point in debating it, since Donny can answer the question directly.
 
Christopher said:
Hi! I just discovered this thread. Amazing work.

I'm curious about those aft stations flanking the turbolift on the Reliant bridge. Would I be correct in assuming that you invented their labels? The port station on your version has labels relating to pulsar timing arrays, which is a principle of gravitational-wave astronomy that wasn't conceived until the 1990s, so it'd be a freakish coincidence if a 1982 set component was labeled that way. Assuming you did invent the labels, do you know what the original labels for those consoles said, if anything?

And have you thought of names for those stations? The starboard station seems like some sort of long-range sensor status monitor, with references to telemetry and antennae and such. Which makes sense, since it's next to the science station. As for a pulsar array station, in addition to their use in gravity-wave astronomy, pulsars could also serve as a navigational and chronometric reference standard, so maybe the port aft station is the equivalent of the "navigational subsystems check-out" station on the TOS bridge. But it seems they must only be some kind of status monitors rather than real control stations, because you can't control much with just those six big lever things.
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Thanks for the kind words!

First off, let me say this: I am neither engineer nor scientist. I am an artist. Although I take what knowledge I do have about engineering/sciences with me when I make art, at the end of the day I am not attempting to make a foolproof vessel that would stand up to 100% to any kind of real-world scientific scrutiny, and neither were the filmmakers. To quote Uhura, "This isn't reality. This is fantasy."

That being said, much of the text was illegible on both of these auxiliary consoles, but I used what I could make out and then filled in the blanks elsewhere. Without re-checking my references, I can't be sure right now what I did make up and what I discerned from examining the frames closely. However, I am 90% sure of the text on the upper half of the port auxiliary console, and indeed that panel was labeled "PULSAR ARRAY." The bottom panel, which I've labeled "COUPLING DOPPLER PULSE TIMING" was one that I was unsure of, but after briefing myself...er...briefly...on the science behind pulsars and using them for navigation, I came up with text that respected the science at a very basic level but also looked like it might be some of that blurry lettering. This lower text is therefore conjecture, and yes, it may be out of step with the exact pulsar science of the early 1980s. I dunno. But at the end of the day I was more concerned with getting something that looked good, sounded scientific, and made sense given the legible text. Although I endeavor to respect known and theoretical science, like I said: I'm not a scientist. The night I spent arting up that panel, I realized I could either spend one night and get something that I was happy with that sort of made sense, or I could spend several days researching pulsar science and make something that was foolproof. Given how much time I already spend on this stuff, just to make it look good, I chose the former.

Anyway. Super long explanation, I know. ;)

As to your second question, I have not thought of names for those stations beyond "Auxiliary Consoles" or what they are titled on the panels: "Telemetry Array Monitor" and "Pulsar Array Monitor".
 
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Why is everything a debate with you, Christopher? I think you are reading something that just isn't there. I think that Lee Cole, who was Scenic Artist for TWOK, intended this console to provide the timing information for three known pulsars for location finding, just like in ST Maps.

Of course, the concept of using pulsars as location markers didn't originate with ST Maps. And using them as markers was definitely something people were aware of in the late 70s and early 80s:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...oneer_plaque.svg/969px-Pioneer_plaque.svg.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...yager_Golden_Record_Cover_Explanation.svg.png

Anyhow, @Donny already ninja'd me

edit: to clear up the confusion.
 
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Donny said:
That being said, much of the text was illegible on both of these auxiliary consoles, but I used what I could make out and then filled in the blanks elsewhere. Without re-checking my references, I can't be sure right now what I did make up and what I discerned from examining the frames closely. However, I am 90% sure of the text on the upper half of the port auxiliary console, and indeed that panel was labeled "PULSAR ARRAY." The bottom panel, which I've labeled "COUPLING DOPPLER PULSE TIMING" was one that I was unsure of, but after briefing myself...er...briefly...on the science behind pulsars and using them for navigation, I came up with text that respected the science at a very basic level but also looked like it might be some of that blurry lettering. This lower text is therefore conjecture, and yes, it may be out of step with the exact pulsar science of the early 1980s. I dunno. But at the end of the day I was more concerned with getting something that looked good, sounded scientific, and made sense given the legible text. Although I endeavor to respect known and theoretical science, like I said: I'm not a scientist. The night I spent arting up that panel, I realized I could either spend one night and get something that I was happy with that sort of made sense, or I could spend several days researching pulsar science and make something that was foolproof. Given how much time I already spend on this stuff, just to make it look good, I chose the former.
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Oh, I wasn't criticizing, just trying to assess the likelihood of whether the labels came from the original film or not. No judgment involved, just wanting the question answered. Hmm, maybe the pulsar array terminology is older than my web-searching indicated.


As to your second question, I have not thought of names for those stations beyond "Auxiliary Consoles" or what they are titled on the panels: "Telemetry Array Monitor" and "Pulsar Array Monitor".
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Okay, thanks.
 
Christopher said:
Oh, I wasn't criticizing, just trying to assess the likelihood of whether the labels came from the original film or not. No judgment involved, just wanting the question answered. Hmm, maybe the pulsar array terminology is older than my web-searching indicated.




Okay, thanks.
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Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as a response to criticism! I didn't take it as if you were criticizing. It's funny...perhaps I'm a little defensive because I remember the night I was filling in the blanks with that text, and I had this fear that someone would point out that the words I'd chosen made no sense, or didn't fit the science. So perhaps even though you weren't criticizing, my knee-jerk reaction was to respond as if I was being criticized because I'd already had that debate with myself ;)

Anyway, no worries!
 
BK613 said:
Why is everything a debate with you?
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Anyhow, @Donny already ninja'd me
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You confused the Hell out of me at first because it looked like you were saying this to Donny instead of Christopher, at least until I got to the end. This is why I generally always quote the message I'm replying to just, to avoid perplexing people when ninja-ed. :D
 
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So, just to give you guys an update on what I've been indulging in for the last several days. I'm taking a breather from Trek stuff and actually doing some noodling with *gasp* my own sci-fi designs for a change. I think it's important to do some non-Trek work to help round out my portfolio. I dunno how long this break will last but figured I'd use the opportunity to do something different!

I still want to maintain a 60s-70s aesthetic (bulky, rounded shapes, more visual rest than visual noise, CRT screens, switches, knobs, lit buttons). My target is somewhere between the cleanliness of 2001 and the dirty, lived-in feeling of the Nostromo. I started on a corridor system a couple years back and really liked the direction I was going in, so I'm going to continue with those basic designs and expand upon them. I'm also using the project as a test-bed for trying out some new, more efficient modeling techniques.

Anyway, would you guys be interested in seeing some non-Trek art once I get something worth showing? I should obviously stay away from posting it on a Trek-centric board but I appreciate the input of all of you so I'd like you guys and girls along on this voyage if you want. (Speaking of, what's the rules regarding posting non-Trek work in the Fan Art forum, @Michael?)
 
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