Yeah, but Picard behaved exactly like Wesley in Insurrection. So what's good for the goose is obviously not good for the gander.
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Yeah, but Picard behaved exactly like Wesley in Insurrection. So what's good for the goose is obviously not good for the gander.
Well, that just goes back to my other point - the stupidity and arrogance of the Maquis. (That episode did not, technically, name the colonists on Dorvan V as the Maquis, but it's pretty obvious that's what they were.)
As I said, since there's close to an infinite amount of living space in the Federation, the Maquis' claim that they were just defending their homes, does not hold water. And their actions almost got the Federation into another war witih Cardassia, and in fact DID cause Cardassia to ally itself with the Dominion.
Unpopular Opinion: I think the Bajoran religion is the most annoying feature of the series, even if it's somewhat ubiquitous. They should have made the whole series without religion at all. In fact, the more an episode is based on it the more uninteresting and cliché it is.
Wait... You're saying you think the Native North American colony was Maqui? I never took it that way. I guess by the time of Voyager, they might've been trying to go that route with Chakotay, but even still. I didn't see anything that made me think these people were essentially Cardassian freedom fighters. In fact, why would they allow themselves to be put under Cardassian rule at the end, if they were against Cardassian occupations etc...?
Per Quark's perception but he didn't really go into detail to describe. But they build ships with offensive capability weapons. I'm sure there's more than a minor skirmish going on somewhere. And forcing a segment of the population to do something... like being disallowed to wear clothing or participating in society... how is that not slavery? (Yes, it made their women second class citizens. And yet for a society that prevents women from wearing clothes, they figured out how "female Ferengi garb" could look like very quick on cue - to appease other societies they visit? But that doesn't exactly fit in with not being able to participate... so only some societal functions are disallowed? How nuanced does this become? The more the merrier, methinks, as there's a lot of surrounding detail that just can't even fit within a season arc, much less a single story.)
Which viewers? What creates "majority", just a tally of individual units with similar characteristics lumped together? What happens if some viewer units have traits that fall into multiple groups? For a 43 minute TV show episode, some concessions are inevitable, and arguably shouldn't be taken as anything more if there's only one main point being discussed, if they write things far enough in advance they can extol it slowly across years and still keep a coherent and complex canon. But is it wrong to watch shows featuring people and persons who we are not 100% the same as?
And telling Picard not to accept promotion or to be transferred.
Unpopular opinion: Picard didn't listen to the wise and experienced Kirk who told him the best course of action.
Picard was looking forward to some hot MILF action, Wesley was looking at getting some creepy Traveler action.
Not the same thing.
Unpopular opinion: Section 31 blows. It kinda destroys the whole idea of humanity growing up and getting along if the Federation is really controlled by a small cabal of people who determine what is right and wrong and act based on their own morality without the input of the Federation government or citizens.
I'm with you. Section 31 was fine was as a one-off on DS9 but I have little interest in top brass conspiracies, unless they are caused by parasites or invading aliens.
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I don't like how big S31 has become but I also do not like the idea of the only way leadership can be corrupted is by aliens either. Sometimes human nature is its own worst enemy.
I agree with that. In Star Trek VI there was the coup within Starfleet, The Klingons and The Romulans to murder the chancellor and destroy the treaty. They were exposed and their motives were discovered. That worked for the story and it was believable. I don't like Section 31 because it's a permanent covert shadow group that no one(except Dr. Bashir apparently) can challenge. Either they do their job and they remain secret or they are corrupt and should be taken out. End of story. Conspiracies get old fast.
Honestly, I'm not sure that opinion is particularly unpopular. Count me in, though. I don't mind the idea of a covert intelligence gathering branch of Starfleet, but a shadowy underground organization that's practically a secret society isn't my cup of tea.
I actually prefer the way DSC tried to portray them to what DS9 or Into Darkness portrayed. That said, it would have been even better if they hadn't shown up at all.
I will agree up to a point and make this distinction. Yes, I agree that conspiracies get old fast. One of the things that I kind of see with Section 31 is the idea of an evil that gets defeated for a time, which is a bit of a mythological trope, I'll grant. However, given Section 31's longevity it would stand to reason (at least to me) that they would reform, or become less dominant over time.
I doubt that they are constantly forever in the background as a shadow government. I think their power waxes and wanes.
Technically, he should be, since he is a full Vulcan.
To (mis)quote a DS9 line: "It's not about what should be but about what is."
Okay, there's been a pinned thread at the top of this forum for nearly a month, regarding spoilers for Season 2 of Discovery.
It is located here
Everyone had fair notice (two as a matter of fact). You've put me in a position where I can't give you a break.
You're receiving an infraction for posting spoilers.
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Easy to say when it's not your community and your life being ripped apart by a stroke of a pen you had no say over. I'm not saying who's right, but don't make it into something straightforward.
Tuvok is usually written as just as secretly emotional as Spock was in TOS. His attachment to Janeway is another version of Spock's to Kirk.
My impression from first run was the Maquis were formed because of situations like the one on Dorvan V. So in "Journey's End," they likely weren't Maquis...yet.
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