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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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CorporalCaptain said:
Obviously fictional materials with impossible, fantastical properties would have to have those properties defined either by forces that are unknown to real science, or by known forces manifesting themselves in ways that are unknown to real science, or both. Another possibility that's been alluded to is some effect that masks inertial mass.

Whatever the mechanism, a) it's fictitious, b) it's physically impossible, or else it would be possible to make the substance in the real world, and c) it's just one thing in a long list of physically impossible things, including Mjolnir, regarding which we are tasked to suspend disbelief. Accepting the Infinity Stones but drawing the line at Cap's shield would be completely ridiculous, for example.

There's simply no way that one can attempt to rationalize how these things work that isn't going to run into something objectionable, or otherwise this stuff would be real.
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I mean my initial point is that it should just be shown as heavier than it is, wasn't saying it should be taking Caps arm off. :p

And yes the Stones are the major ridiculous part of it all, I really wanted the Eternals to arrive and clear something up about them, maybe they still will someday.
 
Kemaiku said:
I mean my initial point is that it should just be shown as heavier than it is, wasn't saying it should be taking Caps arm off. :p

And yes the Stones are the major ridiculous part of it all, I really wanted the Eternals to arrive and clear something up about them, maybe they still will someday.
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Why do you expect something that could withstanding being hit by Thor's hammer to be designed according to principles accepted by real science? In the 1940s, Howard Stark exhibited (in-universe) a knowledge of science beyond what he have even today. Thor's hammer is designed according to principles that are (in-universe) beyond real science. It seems reasonable that vibranium is not explainable according to scientific principles known in the real world. So, how can you find the weight of the shield to be an indication of how plausible it is, given all of this? :shrug:
 
CorporalCaptain said:
Why do you expect something that could withstanding being hit by Thor's hammer to be designed according to principles accepted by real science? In the 1940s, Howard Stark exhibited (in-universe) a knowledge of science beyond what he have even today. Thor's hammer is designed according to principles that are (in-universe) beyond real science. It seems reasonable that vibranium is not explainable according to scientific principles known in the real world. So, how can you find the weight of the shield to be an indication of how plausible it is, given all of this? :shrug:
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To be fair, at this point all the replies are overthinking this far more than I was to start with. Howard found a lump of metal, melted it into a frisbee, noticed it stopped the odd bullet and shoved it on a shelf. Nothing about the shield seemed to have people that impressed at all by it.
 
Kemaiku said:
To be fair, at this point all the replies are overthinking this far more than I was to start with. Howard found a lump of metal, melted it into a frisbee, noticed it stopped the odd bullet and shoved it on a shelf. Nothing about the shield seemed to have people that impressed at all by it.
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I think that the US military in the early 1940s would've been very impressed by a lightweight metal that stopped every bullet or shell fired at it, given that there were lots of people firing bullets and shells at them right around then. The only reason it was a dead end was that Howard didn't know where to get more of the stuff.
 
Kemaiku said:
To be fair, at this point all the replies are overthinking this far more than I was to start with. Howard found a lump of metal, melted it into a frisbee, noticed it stopped the odd bullet and shoved it on a shelf. Nothing about the shield seemed to have people that impressed at all by it.
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FWIW, that doesn't seem to be the impression I got from that scene. It seemed like he had the metal, learned its properties, and figured out the best way to use what he had. I know this is hair-splitting, but I think it matters that he knew what was vibranium and then invented the shield (which I believe he described as a prototype).
 
kitik said:
By the way, regarding the future of Marvel Studios projects and their "main" version of the MCU, we just got the new trailer for Far From Home today, and the movie is coming out in a few months, but after that, nothing is even being filmed yet, right?

On the movie front, Black Widow, Eternals, and Shang-Chi all have yet to start filming, and on the Disney+ front, none of Falcon & Winter Soldier, Loki, WandaVision, Hawkeye, whatever else have even started filming yet either, right? Obviously the Marvel tv side is still going strong, with all sorts of new stuff coming up. But the specific Marvel Studios stuff has taken a major break in production after Endgame and Captain Marvel and Far From Home (Sony, I know, but still movie MCU) wrapped.

Heck, I was just reading about when production could start on a second season of The Mandalorian for Disney+. Actually, that's probably why I made this post. It really drove home the point that the full continuity stuff from Marvel Studios has taken a significant break.

Looking forward to some next door neighbor sneaking a set photo of actors on a street or ScarJo sharing a behind the scenes image when Black Widow hopefully begins filming next month. And hoping we hear something relatively soon about when Falcon & Winter Soldier might start up (assuming that'll be the first Marvel show on Disney+).
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My understanding is that months ago Ryan Coogler QUIETLY signed a deal for Black Panther 2.

Not sure if/when Endgame qas factored into the story.

Hope that Nakia was the Black Panther in the meantime...
 
Indeed, it'll be interesting to see how far that Marvel button on Disney+ takes us. Obviously not the Netflix shows, but how many of the old cartoons will be included?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they end up using Hulu's existing infrastructure to help support D+ and just absorb everything under the same branding.
 
Reverend said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they end up using Hulu's existing infrastructure to help support D+ and just absorb everything under the same branding.
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Oh, you mean like how other streaming sites such as ShoutFactory are basically satellites of Hulu using the same video software, programs, ads and such, just packaged differently and limited to certain portions of their catalog?

Ooh, I hope Disney's absorption of Hulu doesn't affect the ShoutFactory streaming site. They have some good free stuff there.
 
I wonder if this means that Hulu will be doing away with their annoying ass ads. Comcast is now starting up their own free, ad-supported streaming service. Was Hulu's ad system the brainchild of Comcast and/or Fox?
 
In a Q&A session Kevin Feige replied "yes" when asked if there were any plans on following up on the real Mandarin from the "All Hail the King" one shot.

Now, my immediate first thought when Marvel announced that they were making a Shang-Chi movie was that that they could replace Shang-Chi's father, Fu Manchu, a character that Marvel only licensed and no longer has the rights to, with the Mandarin with a minimum of change to Shang-Chi's story. I'm having that thought again.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/kevin-feige...e9-85BtuKCoF9wy2uV1IHsMHf-Y2I-VsjhyqOxVmd1bVA
 
Speaking of "All Hail the King", it has been posted on YouTube for over a year without reprisal from Marvel/Disney. Given how rapidly the Disney lawyers (a subsidiary of Wolf, Ram and Hart) react to unauthorized use of their IP, I have to guess that they don't really care about the One-Shots being posted. If this is in violation of board policy, I humbly apologize.

ETA-- Wait for the post-credit scenes with a surprise appearance. ;)

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Ben Kingsley obviously has a ball with this character. No matter what one thinks of the actual plot twist in IM3, I think Trevor himself is a brilliant character.
 
Turtletrekker said:
In a Q&A session Kevin Feige replied "yes" when asked if there were any plans on following up on the real Mandarin from the "All Hail the King" one shot.

Now, my immediate first thought when Marvel announced that they were making a Shang-Chi movie was that that they could replace Shang-Chi's father, Fu Manchu, a character that Marvel only licensed and no longer has the rights to, with the Mandarin with a minimum of change to Shang-Chi's story. I'm having that thought again.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/kevin-feige...e9-85BtuKCoF9wy2uV1IHsMHf-Y2I-VsjhyqOxVmd1bVA
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That would be awesome. I think Kingsley worked in IM3, but I have wanted to see something like the comic Mandarin, especially after that short. I think the best way would be to have him be a chinese crimelord with some version of the comic version's power rings, then establish that the Mandarin title comes from western organizations and that he doesn't really refer to himself like that (I can't think of another way to justify the name honestly).
 
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