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How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?


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Yeah, that's mostly a BS excuse, because movies take much longer to make than TV series, so while it'd indeed be difficult for the movies to feature TV characters, it really shouldn't be that hard for, say, AoS to work in movie character cameos... as evidenced by the fact they did just that several times.
Did I say anything about cameos? I don't think I did. This appears to be BS counter-argument.
 
Did I say anything about cameos? I don't think I did. This appears to be BS counter-argument.
I used movie character cameos as one example of the ways TV series, which are very rarely written a year before they air, can react to the events of movies, which in this case were largely written two years ago or more - i.e., at least a year before the writing of AoS S6/7 even began. The fact that I brought up the example of movie cameos has no bearing on the fundamentals of my argument.

If AoS had wanted to explore the ramifications of the end of Endgame, the writers could absolutely have done so. Their choice not to had nothing to do with production scheduling - not that I can see, anyway.
 
The movie was extremely well done considering how many narratives they had to weave.

Three of the original characters written out.

Only one question. They brought back the infinity stones. But then they killed an earlier version of Thanos. Doesn’t that, err...disrupt the timeline just as much?
 
Do not pay attention to that man behind the curtain. These are not the droids you are looking for. There is nothing to see here. Go about your business. Move along, move along.
 
Only one question. They brought back the infinity stones. But then they killed an earlier version of Thanos. Doesn’t that, err...disrupt the timeline just as much?
Think of it like the difference between cut/paste and copy/paste.

What has already happened has still happened. Then you paste in a copy of it that you edited, and move on from there. The best real life example I can think of is editing a music track.
 
Think of it like the difference between cut/paste and copy/paste.

What has already happened has still happened. Then you paste in a copy of it that you edited, and move on from there. The best real life example I can think of is editing a music track.

Is there something Thanos did to explicitly make it that way that I missed?

And if that theory is true there’s an extra Nebula in the past.
 
Also did Thor put the hammer back or did it somehow get duplicated too.

Maybe the time duplicate was the one left in the past. That’s why it was doomed!
 
So, Hank and Janet discovered the Pym particle that allows shrinking to the Quantum Realm. Then Hank and Hope figured out how to make a Quantum Tunnel. Then Tony figured out how to use it for time travel.

This wasn’t major institutional Big Science constructing colliders that cost hundreds of billions. It was just a handful of people using the technology available on Earth.

It seems that any civilization much more technologically advanced than Earth should have discovered the same technique. Are we to assume that all advanced civilizations in the Marvel universe have this technology? Or are we to assume that these four people are so unique that no other civilization ever produced anyone capable of solving the puzzles they solved?
 
Yeah, that's mostly a BS excuse, because movies take much longer to make than TV series, so while it'd indeed be difficult for the movies to feature TV characters, it really shouldn't be that hard for, say, AoS to work in movie character cameos... as evidenced by the fact they did just that several times.

in this particular case, however, that excuse doesn't wash at all. Infinity War/Endgame were filmed back-to-back two years ago, meaning that the major story beats, if not entirely finalized scripts, would have been locked down even before that. The AoS S6/7 renewal, OTOH, was made a year ago. So, the AoS showrunners knew from the very start of their writing process that the Snap wouldn't be simply undone, and that there'd be a five-year time jump by the end of Endgame. Instead of laying off half the cast and diving into the details of the post-Snap world, then, they made a clear choice to diverge entirely. It's an understandable decision, especially given the TV/Movies behind-the-scenes divergence, but it's got nothing to do with production schedules.
The explanation I've seen for why didn't address the post-Snap world was that they did not know for sure when they were going to air. They didn't want to take the chance that they would air before Endgame came out and end up spoiling things from the movie.
With the separation between the movie and TV divisions of Marvel, I'm not sure if the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. writers would have known what was going to happen in Endgame, and I haven't seem them specifically say whether or not they did not.
 
The movie was extremely well done considering how many narratives they had to weave.

Three of the original characters written out.

Only one question. They brought back the infinity stones. But then they killed an earlier version of Thanos. Doesn’t that, err...disrupt the timeline just as much?

Yes, but not as much as taking the Stones away would have.
 
Killing Thanos earlier should prevent most of the movies from happening. :)

Unless Thanos specifically hit the copy button instead of cut on his time travel machine.
 
The explanation I've seen for why didn't address the post-Snap world was that they did not know for sure when they were going to air. They didn't want to take the chance that they would air before Endgame came out and end up spoiling things from the movie.
I know they said that, but I don't much buy it. Pretty sure Marvel Studios has enough clout to insist the show would premiere when it did...

With the separation between the movie and TV divisions of Marvel, I'm not sure if the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. writers would have known what was going to happen in Endgame, and I haven't seem them specifically say whether or not they did not.
They knew.
 
Is there something Thanos did to explicitly make it that way that I missed?

And if that theory is true there’s an extra Nebula in the past.

The Avengers made it that way when they removed the power stone from the timestream. The Ancient One explicitly says that removing a stone like that causes time to split. Thanos and his army came from the splinter timeline which never led to any of the movies anyway. And when the stone was returned, it prevented that timeline from existing at all which means Thanos et al came from a non-existant timeline and there is literally no one anywhere who will ever miss them.
 
The time platform (in the present) is an anchor.

All time travel to anywhere except the present which is anchored, creates a divergent timeline.

The Avengers created a new timeline whenever they arrived in the past, not when they stole an infinity stone. A timeline with less than 6 stones is unstable, and eventually doomed, "maybe".

Following these rules Captain America can't return the stones, since he can't "change" his own past, or anyone elses past. Each time he tries to go back to where the Avengers took the stones from he will create a new timeline instead of arriving where we saw earlier in the movie.

It's possible that they could drop a pin (create more anchors) and arrive where they had been but just after they left the pasts? They wouldn't be interfering with their own past, but why wouldn't time split? It just would.

So although a copy of the timeline, where the Ancient one made her deal with the Hulk, got their stones back, the original did not, and the Ancient one thinks that the Hulk is a lying loser.
 
The time platform (in the present) is an anchor.

All time travel to anywhere except the present which is anchored, creates a divergent timeline.

That may or may not be true, but nothing in the movie says that.

The Avengers created a new timeline whenever they arrived in the past, not when they stole an infinity stone. A timeline with less than 6 stones is unstable, and eventually doomed, "maybe".

This is totally false. The Ancient One specifically says that time 'splits' if you remove an infinity stone. She also never says that the resulting split is doomed, what she says is that her new reality would automatically be in danger as long as it was missing the time stone (because the time stone is her greatest weapon against danger, not because the time stone is required to keep the universe from exploding).
 
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