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Were some characters better when out-of-character?

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Chakotay gets beaten up on here a lot. Many VOY fans say he's a bland character, 1-dimensional, boring, too much of a Boy Scout. But I like Chakotay a lot when he's in full Maquis mode. He's passionate, unpredictable, with a wild look in his eye and a willingness do anything for what he believes in - but only when he's in Maquis mode.

He's not the only one. In the episode "Warlord," Kes is taken over by an alien consciousness, and suddenly Kes is let loose from her sweet, innocent self. Ironic to say, the character here has a mind of her own and even though she's not nice to Neelix, it helps put that awkward relationship to rest shortly thereafter. I was ok with Kes prior to this, but when I saw that episode, I thought: "Man this is the Jennifer Lien I've been waiting to see!"

Tom is also way more interesting when he's rebelling and being insubordinate. The actor had a true knack for portraying that, going back to the TNG days of "The First Duty."

Could it be that some of these characters are better when they're outside the boxes the writers put them in? The examples above aren't only interesting because they're different. They're interesting because they fit better with the actors, and they show a wider range of personality. With exceptions, almost all VOY characters operate within a very narrow range for each of their personalities. When they break from that, they get an episode devoted to it because it's a very big deal and so rare to see.

Looking at other ST series, I have a hard time making similar comparisons, even though there is an abundance of examples of those characters (from TNG, DS9, etc.) getting taken over by alien entities or acting way out-of-the-box. So as usual, I have to conclude that VOY's writers were once again missing out on doing more to utilize their skilled actors who had a wide range and fairly interesting characters to work with.

Are there other characters you enjoyed more when they were acting out of the norm? (Not just because it was different, but because the characters benefited from branching out...)
 
I like Chakotay who is a great character. With better writing, he could have been the best First Officer in the Star Trek series.

I like episodes like "Maneuvers" and "Nemesis" where Chakotay is a bit of a bada**. There should have been more such episodes.

I can also agree on "Warlord" which is great and about Tom being more of a rebel.

As long as they don't overdo such episodes it's OK for me.
 
Rebellious Tom Paris was my favourite reason to watch Voyager... until it turned out to be a fakeout to reveal the Kazon informant.

I hope one of the myriad future Trek productions in the works right now resurrects the idea and plays it legit.
 
Rebellious Tom Paris was my favourite reason to watch Voyager... until it turned out to be a fakeout to reveal the Kazon informant.

I hope one of the myriad future Trek productions in the works right now resurrects the idea and plays it legit.

It made me think for a moment that the show was going to be semi-realistic: people who live together 24/7 not necessarily getting along for all 24/7. But the wool had been pulled over our eyes. :rolleyes:
 
I like episodes like "Maneuvers" and "Nemesis" where Chakotay is a bit of a bada**. There should have been more such episodes.

I can also agree on "Warlord" which is great and about Tom being more of a rebel.

As long as they don't overdo such episodes it's OK for me.
"Nemesis" was a good one, and I've used his line at the end of the episode, "I wish it were as easy to stop hating as it was to start." He showed more passion there as brainwashed Chakotay than regular Chakotay.
 
Hmmm... to answer the question in the title... not really. I've never had the urge to change or want to change another's creation or their written product. Voyager is and was its own identity. So when I watch characters *behave* I just roll with it. For brief moments of parody or pantomime it's okay when they mix it up, but no, not for good.

I enjoyed Living Witness with the wicked crew but just for one time out.
 
Yes, Chakotay works better as a hardass"So, you want to do things the Maquis way..." He got too comfortable later on. If he had been a little more forward, confident, and maybe a little pushy, he would have certainly gotten the girl(Janeway).

I don't like Tom being too rebellious, but I wish he would have corrupted Kim a little more. Someone as naive as Kim would have been totally influenced into doing naughty things by Tom, like gambling for replicator rations and whatnot.

I like Seven when she's more Sensitive, not always talking like Worf, but I like her sarcasm.

I loved the doctor in Darkling as a psycho

I like Tuvok just how he is.

B'elanna should be nicer to people.
 
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So when I watch characters *behave* I just roll with it. For brief moments of parody or pantomime it's okay when they mix it up, but no, not for good.
Yeah I don't think change just for sake of change is the answer - or even interesting unless it's done well. But looking at several threads on here, it's very noticeable how many people regard Jennifer's role in "Warlord" as being so much better suited for her, more dynamic, more vibrant, more layered than good ol' Kes. Kes could've been made more interesting, without a doubt, but they didn't seem to think it was worth the effort. And then she was gone to make room for Seven.
 
Yes, Chakotay works better as a hardass"So, you want to do things the Maquis way..." He got too comfortable later on. If he had been a little more forward, confident, and maybe a little pushy, he would have certainly gotten the girl(Janeway).

I don't like Tom being too rebellious, but I wish he would have corrupted Kim a little more. Someone as naive as Kim would have been totally influenced into doing naughty things by Tom, like gambling for replicator rations and whatnot.

I like Seven when she's more Sensitive, not always talking like Worf, but I like her sarcasm.

I loved the doctor in Darkling as a psycho

I like Tuvok just how he is.

B'elanna should be nicer to people.

Agree with most of what you say, though I'm not really sure of Tuvok. He isn't bad but I still find him a little … bland sometimes.

Somehow I think Janeway would also have made for a great Klingon (as in those few moments we see her in the Killing Game) - but not at the cost of the role she got to play (ship's captain).
 
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