Poll Season 3 Federation

[Jayson1]

This makes me imagine a Lord of the Rings-style aesthetics for the setting, with all the rural-medieval type folks living their lives in the shadow of the ruins of a glorious past. And sweeping vistas. Lots of sweeping vistas. Or something like Split in Croatia, with the medieval houses built into the ruins of Diocletian's palace (and, of course, all the repurposed ancient buildings used to this day in Rome).

That would work or maybe bump it forward a little so you have things like trains and steam engine boats and maybe limited projectile guns and riffles. The other way is something more like "Battlestar Galatica" were they are really us present day people but with a few nudges here and their that keeps it being a exact copy of our society. Like maybe they can travel in space but only have warp 2 and even if they could leave their system they are afraid to because the have heard scary stories about what is out their in the deepest reaches of Space. The Borg alone would make for a good futuristic Boogey Man even if nobody even really knows what a Borg even is.

Jason

 

[SJGardner]

That would work or maybe bump it forward a little so you have things like trains and steam engine boats and maybe limited projectile guns and riffles. The other way is something more like "Battlestar Galatica" were they are really us present day people but with a few nudges here and their that keeps it being a exact copy of our society. Like maybe they can travel in space but only have warp 2 and even if they could leave their system they are afraid to because the have heard scary stories about what is out their in the deepest reaches of Space. The Borg alone would make for a good futuristic Boogey Man even if nobody even really knows what a Borg even is.

Jason

I wasn't thinking of literal medieval peasants either. With all the technology we've met during the years, there's ample potential for some seriously crazy technological and cultural mashups. I can totally imagine all kinds of *punks all over the place, depending on the planet. Or things like Klingon engines crudely welded to a hull cobbled together from a Starfleet saucer section and the central core of a Cardassian space station, crewed by the descendants of various unrelated species, wandering from system to system. I'd let the creative teams go batshit crazy.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Maybe something like Asimov's "Foundation" -- i.e., The Federation gone, but a group working in the shadows to preserve the positive aspects of the Federation and potentially bring it back.

When the Western Roman Empire fell, Europe entered into the Dark Ages. When the Federation falls, I expect there could be a similar galactic Dark Age.

Similar to Asimov's Foundation novels, a group in a post-Federation galaxy might still hold onto the knowledge and science of the past, attempting to preserve it and bring it into a new future. Maybe our heroes on the Discovery might happen upon that group, and both sides might help restore the Federation.

Asimov's premise for his Foundation series was patterned after the fall of the Roman Empire and the Dark ages, and then eventually a renaissance that follows. DSC could do a something where the Discovery becomes an agent for that galactic renaissance.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

That means if we do see a Enterprise we might talking something like the Enterprise-Z at this point. What does Starfleet do if it still exists once it does run out of letters in the alphabet.

Jason

It depends, if they have Captains like Kirk & Picard, they end up losing a lot more Enterprises. If they leave off using the name for long periods or manage not to get them blown up in rapid succession, they might not get that far down the alphabet.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Daniels was from the 31st century.

Discovery has been transported to the 33rd century.

There could be a connection...

For example: Daniels' society was probably aware of Discovery's jump into the future (I'm sure his group can detect any and all time travel, regardless of era). Perhaps they arranged for the ship to be directed into a "pocket universe"-style timeline where the sphere data can't do any more damage.

So even if DSC shows us a "fall of the Federation", it could be a fake future, not the real one.

That's how I'll rationalize it, anyway. As I said, I don't like the idea that the Federation could ever actually fall, because it makes all existing Trek futile - how can you watch it, knowing what will eventually happen? So this provides an easy way out.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

how can you watch it, knowing what will eventually happen? So this provides an easy way out.

We've pretty much been doing that already, knowing exactly what will happen to Spock and Pike and the Enterprise. So that's nothing new.

 

[SJGardner]

Similar to Asimov's Foundation novels, a group in a post-Federation galaxy might still hold onto the knowledge and science of the past, attempting to preserve it and bring it into a new future. Maybe our heroes on the Discovery might happen upon that group, and both sides might help restore the Federation.

I'd also be intrigued by something like Fallout 4's spin on the concept with the Institute, borne of the MIT retreating underground after a nuclear war to rebuild civilization, who have spent such a long time in complete isolation that the world had gone completely past anything they would've wanted to make out of it, and their own ideals have become distorted to the point of being unrecognizable... they state their end goal is to relight the flame of the old world and avoid its mistakes, but in the end, they just want to develop the world their way and rule over it as philosopher kings, convinced that they are the only ones with the knowledge to save the world from itself, and violently oppose anything the outside world creates independently of them.

I can imagine a secretive group operating behind the scenes in an attempt to rebuild the Federation, but in a way that's completely disconnected from the actual reality of the Alpha Quadrant around them, based on a rigid and overzealous, Ivory Tower interpretation of how things were, disregarding the actual cultures, needs and achievements of the people now living there, eventually getting into a conflict with a group of people who are actually building something completely new that's as idealistic and progressive as the Federation-That-Was had ever been.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We've pretty much been doing that already, knowing exactly what will happen to Spock and Pike and the Enterprise. So that's nothing new.

Individuals die. The Federation should not. It's greater than that.

 

[Soong-type Android]

I wonder what Earth will be like in Season 3.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Individuals die. The Federation should not. It's greater than that.

I get that, but on a grander scale, we've also watched 2 seasons of DSC where the Federation was facing mortal threats, knowing all along that it would survive into the TNG era and beyond, so for your earlier post about watchability in regards to foreknowledge, it applies here too with the Federation.

 

[SJGardner]

Individuals die. The Federation should not. It's greater than that.

But the Federation "dying" doesn't mean it will disappear without a trace altogether and everything it stood for gets erased from history. The ancient Roman and Greek civilizations have been destroyed. Does that mean that their entire history and all their achievements have been in vain? They gave us Democracy and the Republic, the very ideals modern societies are based upon, not to mention all the technological and cultural achievements western culture is defined by today. Yes, there are many things that have been lost forever, like the second volume of Aristotle's Poetics, but just as many have survived. Even if the Federation is physically gone, its memory and its ideals will remain as the embers from which its fire could be relit again.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Even if the Federation is physically gone, its memory and its ideals will remain as the embers from which its fire could be relit again.

I can hear Burnham saying that in a voiceover narrative.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I can imagine a secretive group operating behind the scenes in an attempt to rebuild the Federation, but in a way that's completely disconnected from the actual reality of the Alpha Quadrant around them, based on a rigid and overzealous, Ivory Tower interpretation of how things were, disregarding the actual cultures, needs and achievements of the people now living there, eventually getting into a conflict with a group of people who are actually building something completely new that's as idealistic and progressive as the Federation-That-Was had ever been.

Hmmm, Interesting....And maybe the Discovery and the first-hand knowledge of the "real" Federation they possess could act as a wake-up call and an education for this secretive group living in their ivory tower with their inaccurate interpretation of what the Federation was.

It could be something like Kirk teaching the Yangs and the Kohms that the "holy words" of the U.S. Constitution are intended to be for all people treated as equals.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I wonder what Earth will be like in Season 3.

A barbarian world that has reverted back to the dark and savage times of the early 21st-century.

 

[SJGardner]

I can hear Burnham saying that in a voiceover narrative.

Based on how her monologues are usually received, I'm not sure if I should feel honored or insulted

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I wonder what Earth will be like in Season 3.

With all this talk of the death of the Federation, I hope it's still there...

we've also watched 2 seasons of DSC where the Federation was facing mortal threats, knowing all along that it would survive into the TNG era and beyond, so for your earlier post about watchability in regards to foreknowledge, it applies here too with the Federation.

Knowing that the Federation will survive doesn't ruin things. Knowing it won't survive, on the other hand...

Even if the Federation is physically gone, its memory and its ideals will remain as the embers from which its fire could be relit again.

Because that worked out oh so well on Andromeda.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Based on how her monologues are usually received, I'm not sure if I should feel honored or insulted

Honored! I like her monologues, although I wouldn't be upset if they stopped doing them.

 

[SJGardner]

Because that worked out oh so well on Andromeda.

Well, that's the problem of Andromeda rather than the concept itself, isn't it? At least that's how I see it. It's not the only story about rebuilding civilization out there.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If the Federation really has gone, Saru is going to have to give one HELL of a motivational speech. Crew morale will be in the toilet...there's probably going to be a fair amount who will just say the hell with it and settle on Terralysium (I'm assuming that if the Federation is no more, its member worlds would be out of the question as well).

Tilly, for example, will be like "I worked my ass off in the command training program...and for what?"

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Based on how her monologues are usually received, I'm not sure if I should feel honored or insulted

Maybe a little scared that they'll actually use the idea?