Poll Season 3 Federation

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by King Daniel Beyond, Apr 28, 2019.

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How would you like the Federation in season 3?

  1. Blake's 7 (Federation BAD)

    9.2%
  2. Andromeda (Federation GONE)

    26.4%
  3. Nothing's really changed (Federation SAME)

    29.9%
  4. Constant TCW madness (Federation TIME)

    2.3%
  5. Civil War (Federation SPLIT)

    10.3%
  6. Other (Federation PLEASE EXPLAIN)

    21.8%
  1. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    SPOILERS, obviously.

    Season 3 will take place around 930 years further into the future, where almost no Trek has gone before. The short "Calypso" gave us some hints about the far future of the Trekverse, where Craft's people are fighting against a distortion of the name "Federation", but the placement of that is ambiguous. Voyager and Enterprise's versions of the future (29th and 30th centuries) were obsessed with time travel (Daniels learned how to send a message to his past self as a child in school)

    My guess is that the Federation has fallen and it's up to Michael Burnham and friends to rebuild it, Andromeda-style. This monumental task will take 14 episodes.
     
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  2. JoeZhang

    JoeZhang Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Right - I'm not sure it tells us anything about where Discovery lands. It's actually pretty easy to hand-wave away as being in the 43rd century or there about.
     
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  3. SJGardner

    SJGardner Captain Captain

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    I voted other, because nothing would fit this idea in my opinion, but I guess with the Discovery being 50 thousand light years away from Earth, it might be that the region they find themselves in is not a part of Federation space even in the future. So to collect my ideas sprinkled through other threads, my favorite depiction of the 32nd century Federation would be an outside-context, mysterious force, looming just beyond the horizon. Basically, Discovery would be a Roman Legion transported into pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, just before the Spanish arrive. In my dream Season 3, we wouldn't yet meet the Federation itself, only hearing something along the lines of medieval sailors' and traders' tall tales about mythical Cathay, and throughout the season, it would slowly dawn on the crew that these stories were about the Federation all along, as the V'Draysh fleet finally arrives to establish a beachhead there in the finale. And we'd only learn their intentions after that.
     
  4. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I don’t think we are going to find out much about Federation next season. If they wanted to do 32nd century Federation stories they would have created a new series. The focus has to be on Discovery.

    I expect they encounter another problem that is not Federation related and it will be the season arc.

    If there is any contact with Federation it will not happen until the last episode of the season.
     
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  5. KennyB

    KennyB Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    I don't know what to expect. In the history of man what is the longest any government or organization has lasted? We are talking basically 1000 years......going backwards from now that would put us before The Battle of Hastings during the time that Vikings were raiding the coast of England......1000 years is a LONG time!
     
  6. guyute03

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    Has there ever been a civil war in the Federation? That might be interesting to explore.
     
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  7. GhostLoveScore

    GhostLoveScore Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I'm afraid they will go with apocalyptic future. Where Federation is gone, people are starving...
     
  8. Unimatrix Q

    Unimatrix Q Captain Captain

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    I'd like to see a massively changed non-evil Federation that is just very different and way more advanced than the one we know, with new traditions and cultural customs. And it would be nice to bring Sisko back, since we only learnt in the DS9 finale that he may return in a different time.

    Also would be nice if the hybrids we heard about in Enterprise would play a major role in the story.

    I hope the Federation of the future plays a big part in the story.
     
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  9. Vger23

    Vger23 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Other. Hopefully they are 900 years and unreachable thousands of lightyears away from the Federation. Simply not interested in that "future Federation" story.


    Yes sir. Hopefully this is correct.
     
  10. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Discovery in the Federation of the 32nd Century would be like someone from the 12th Century suddenly ending up in the United States of the 21st Century. And it would go just about as well.

    The Discovery crew would be in custody. Every historian, sociologist, and anthropologist would be studying them or examining them. They'd be on display as an example of what "primitive" people were like. Or they'd be put through some rigorous reintegration program.

    The Federation wouldn't be a friend to the crew. Or they'd be the worst kind of friend: the one who wants to "help". Discovery would be a Lab Rat who has to escape.
     
  11. cultcross

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    Ok now that has to be a show. Time Legion.
    Putting time in front of stuff makes it sound cool.

    This for me too I think. I've got some interest in the influence of the Federation, but at a distance.

    I don't want them to end up at future Earth in episode 1, as a) I think we'd end up doing one of the obvious options in the poll and it would be tiresome and b) there will be little reason for the ship and crew to stay together and have adventures in that setting.

    I'm worried about their ability to portray human society of a millennium later without cliché or nihilism, and as such I'd rather Discovery was away from it.

    The option I'd want least is a time traveling Federation. Although it makes sense by Trek's ever evolving abilities in that area that time travel would be child's play by the 32nd Century, I don't think it makes for good storytelling in that frame, and it would raise the constant question of why they can't just send the crew home.
     
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  12. USS Triumphant

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    I want to see a Federation that isn't *bad*, so much as a lot worse than it should be and in need of course correction and guidance. Basically, the Discovery crew ends up needing to fulfill the sort of designated survivor, "best of us" role that the Federation sent Pike and the Enterprise away from the Klingon War for - but without Pike there. And I'm not saying there would be room for a lot of metaphors and analogies to be drawn to the present United States, but, well, yeah.
    Probably the Catholic Church? Though the government of the Ukraine has had a pretty good run, too, if you allow that it's still been the same entity going under and coming back out from under Soviet rule.

    It's worth considering that our ever-improving means of keeping records are a stabilizing force on culture drift. I think people of 2219 will be less different from us than the people of 1819 were. People in 2219 will probably still watch reruns of The Office. ;)
     
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  13. Vger23

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    Right, and for me, the future is the future. I'm not sure that adding almost 1000 years to our already-future setting does anything for me. I've seen the future. I don't care about seeing the future of the future.

    It really only leaves two options:

    1. At the rate technology progresses, the advancements of 1000 years would be virtually magical. To me that's not interesting, and the writers would have a very tough time portraying that realistically. It also has the effect, as many have pointed out, of making the Discovery and her Tech seem as outdated as an ancient raft compared to a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. No thanks.

    2. A dystopian "fall of the Federation" story that allows them to avoid the issues above. But, this is such an obvious and horribly unwelcome cliche storyline....I REALLY hope they avoid it.

    So set it far in the future and far enough away in the Galaxy where the challenges are completely new and disconnected.
     
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  14. Delta Vega

    Delta Vega Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I don't want any Federation at all
    Just stand alone stories of Discovery accepting her lot and trying to survive far away from their home, and time.
    Until at season's finale, at least one of the crew gets back (Georgiou)
     
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  15. Lonemagpie

    Lonemagpie Writer Admiral

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    I don't want an Andromeda reboot, and the B7 Evil Federation would basically be the MU Terran Federation (which, bluntly, is even the same fucking *name* as Blake's 7's Federation), which we've already done. Much as I want Empress Gorgeous to be its Servalan.
     
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  16. dinzy

    dinzy Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I am going with the Federation being the "same" however there will be some other power that caused them to be less relevant, if at all, to the S3 story. So the V'Draysh are just the other side in some war, not necessarily the bad guys.

    There would be way too much backlash if the Federation was evil in the future. It seems that the writers are trying not to piss too many people off.
     
  17. WarpFactorZ

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    Nothing lasts 1000 years and looks completely the same. I say the Federation is gone. Yes, we know the V'draysh is an evil force, but that's probably not the Fed as we know it.
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    Personally, I think the Federation is the same, or close to it, while Discovery is just outside of their sphere of influence in some way.
     
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  19. Lord Garth

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    Maybe. We have finite natural resources, our population growth is unsustainable, the economy is a slow-motion train wreck in progress that will screw over most people born after 1970 in one form or another, and we need people in charge who actually take these problems seriously.

    If those are all solved, then I hope all The Office fans in 2219 will give Parks and Recreation a try too.
     
  20. KennyB

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    You realize that's just a 200 year jump........