Agents of SHIELD: Season 6
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Wow, it looks like this season is going to be great.
I had another thought in regards to not Coulson. In the trailer Daisy says something about the person in there not being "the man you loved", so what if the "in there" is Coulson's body and "Sarge" is sort of being possessing Coulson's dead body.
I had another thought in regards to not Coulson. In the trailer Daisy says something about the person in there not being "the man you loved", so what if the "in there" is Coulson's body and "Sarge" is sort of being possessing Coulson's dead body.
His line that nobody on a new planet has ever recognized his face before suggests that he considers it his own face, not one he just acquired. That suggests it's a coincidental resemblance or some mysterious secret bond between the two, rather than an impersonation (so he's probably not a Skrull).
Good to see Piper is back! Yeah, and that other guy whose name I never remember. The important thing is Piper is back!
Regarding Coulson, I'm still in the belief he's from an alternate universe, sliding (if you will) from world to world to destroy different Earths for whatever reason.
Regarding Coulson, I'm still in the belief he's from an alternate universe, sliding (if you will) from world to world to destroy different Earths for whatever reason.
That's great. He did a very good job playing the Reyes version of Ghost Rider, and even though I consider the GR arc of AoS to be the last time the show was good, I wouldn't want him showing back up on the show. So having him in the actual MCU, completely disconnected to AoS, is definitely a good thing in my opinion.
I would really love a tv version of Exiles. So all this alternate reality stuff just sets the stage
That's been one of my top theories since the first trailer.
There's been some clarification from Hulu via Entertainment Weekly about whether this is the same Robbie Reyes we saw in Agents of SHIELD.
https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/01/hulu-ghost-rider-helstrom-series/
It seems like they mean "This Robbie Reyes did live through and experience the events of AoS's fourth season, but we won't be referring back to it in the show because we're marketing this as a Ghost Rider series to new viewers. Not the spin-off of another show they may or may not have seen, which will have no narrative bearing on the story we plan to tell."
I like the sound of this much better.
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. I can live with that.
Yeah, that's kind of what I expected. Modern fans always want to make it about what "universe" a story takes place in, but to people in the industry, connections between stories are less about "universe" and more about narrative. Saying two stories aren't linked doesn't mean they're in separate realities, just that they're narratively independent of each other.
I think they were really worried that people would think the show was either a) a spin-off where the events of the parent series are crucial to the character arcs and inform storylines of the spin-off (like Angel, Agent Carter or Star Wars Rebels) or b) would lead up to a Defenders/Crisis on Earth-X style crossover event that required some knowledge of the other series.
Hulu or Variety or both just fucked up the messaging and confused everybody. Instead of making it clear this was 100% new viewer-friendly, they left everything unclear. How hard is to say "no crossovers or call-backs, but it all happened"?
The thing fans tend to forget is that we are not the majority of the audience. We're outnumbered by more casual viewers, and we're likely to watch anything comics-based whether it's in the same continuity or not. So answering the question "Will this be accessible to new viewers?" is a higher priority than answering the question "Will it be in continuity with another show?" Thus, that's the part they focus on -- that it's a new, unconnected narrative rather than a direct continuation.
Although admittedly that conventional wisdom is kind of blown out the window by Avengers: Endgame, a movie that's literally impossible to understand if you haven't seen at least a dozen prior movies, and particularly if you haven't seen the movie that came out the month before including its mid-credits scene, since there is absolutely no explanation of Captain Marvel within Endgame itself.
Yes, but by not stating this clarification outright, they risk alienating the AoS viewers. It's not hard to put out a statement in the press release that won't alienate all sides.
I had a similar thought. That monster truck seems to literally come out of nowhere.
"Alienate?" I doubt most viewers are so fanatical about continuity that they'd refuse to watch a show that was in a different reality. And subsequent production news, trailers, etc. would've clarified the issue anyway, by which point the mercurial mind of fandom would already have forgotten this little mixup because they'd have moved on to complain about 50 other things in the interim. So it's not necessary to reveal everything in the first one-sentence announcement. If some fans are so hypersensitive and fearful that they'll panic just because a sentence is slightly ambiguous, then getting their reactions under control is their own responsibility, not Hollywood's.
Agents of Shield Season 6 will NOT address Endgame
Jeph Loeb- "The only way for us to tell our story is to do them pre-snap. Whether or not you can figure out [how the timeline works], we'll let timelords figure out."
I'm sorry. I understand the reasons and all... but that's just poor. Maybe shouldn't have mentioned Thanos attacking New York/Earth near the end of Season 5 then should you, Jeph. So your timelines clearly don't work. Don't BS us, just fess up you didn't have a clue and Marvel don't care about you.
Jeph Loeb- "The only way for us to tell our story is to do them pre-snap. Whether or not you can figure out [how the timeline works], we'll let timelords figure out."
I'm sorry. I understand the reasons and all... but that's just poor. Maybe shouldn't have mentioned Thanos attacking New York/Earth near the end of Season 5 then should you, Jeph. So your timelines clearly don't work. Don't BS us, just fess up you didn't have a clue and Marvel don't care about you.
Yeah, this is the kind of discontinuity that I expected would happen eventually once the movie and TV divisions split up. That pretty much left the TV division in the same boat as those of us who write tie-in novels -- the continuity only flows one way, we aren't always in the loop about what the main guys are doing, and they're free to ignore or scuttle our plans at any time. In a case like that, all you can do is the best you can. They've managed to fake it up to now, but Endgame's filmmakers took it in a direction that made things pretty much impossible for the TV division to cope with.
To be fair, AoS has always been the show that tied directly into the movies while the other MCU shows did their own things. You can't blame them for trying to be true to their groove. It's not their fault that movie studios today have become so insanely secretive and paranoid about spoilers that they won't even tell their own creative partners what they're doing. Hell, if anything, it's our fault, the audience's, for getting so hypersensitive about spoilers that studios have come to think they need to guard their secrets as jealously as the CIA. (I mean, come on, people, the novelization of The Empire Strikes Back spoiled who Luke's father was a month before the movie came out, and it didn't hurt the movie.)
Audiences complain when tie-ins (since that's essentially what the TV shows are) fail to maintain perfect consistency with their sources, but they don't appreciate all the factors that make it extremely difficult for the creators of one ongoing project to stay perfectly current and consistent with what the creators of another ongoing project are doing at the same time. It's been tried before and has always failed sooner or later -- the Dell Babylon 5 novels, the Star Wars Expanded Universe, etc. The only way to keep the tie-ins consistent with the original is if they're from the same creative team. So once the MCU TV shows ended up divided from the movies, this was bound to happen eventually.
Maybe we should just think of this as the What If...? season of AoS. "What if... Thor Had Aimed for the Head?"
To be fair, AoS has always been the show that tied directly into the movies while the other MCU shows did their own things. You can't blame them for trying to be true to their groove. It's not their fault that movie studios today have become so insanely secretive and paranoid about spoilers that they won't even tell their own creative partners what they're doing. Hell, if anything, it's our fault, the audience's, for getting so hypersensitive about spoilers that studios have come to think they need to guard their secrets as jealously as the CIA. (I mean, come on, people, the novelization of The Empire Strikes Back spoiled who Luke's father was a month before the movie came out, and it didn't hurt the movie.)
Audiences complain when tie-ins (since that's essentially what the TV shows are) fail to maintain perfect consistency with their sources, but they don't appreciate all the factors that make it extremely difficult for the creators of one ongoing project to stay perfectly current and consistent with what the creators of another ongoing project are doing at the same time. It's been tried before and has always failed sooner or later -- the Dell Babylon 5 novels, the Star Wars Expanded Universe, etc. The only way to keep the tie-ins consistent with the original is if they're from the same creative team. So once the MCU TV shows ended up divided from the movies, this was bound to happen eventually.
Maybe we should just think of this as the What If...? season of AoS. "What if... Thor Had Aimed for the Head?"
Also, Jeph Loeb and the production staff of the show all pretty much expected season 5 to be the end. The name of the final episode was even "The End".
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