Agents of SHIELD: Season 6
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I was hoping for May or Quake at least. If not that, at least the Zephyr to fly over with the other aircraft.
Yeah, that's what they will have in Spider-Man: FFH. It looks like that by random chance most of Parker's friends have been dusted with him (since they haven't aged in the trailer)
At this point shouldn't we just accept that AOS takes place in an alternate universe from the movies?
It's clear the producers were working on the assumption of a Reset Button ending for Endgame and thought that jumping forward a year would solve all their problems.
The thing is, Infinity War/Endgame were written by the same people (Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely) who wrote the entire Captain America film trilogy and created Agent Carter. So that's why Jarvis was included -- because he was created (as a screen character) by the same writers who did this movie. The other Marvel TV characters don't have that advantage, which is presumably why none of them showed up.
Given one can posit at least 3 alternate timelines from AEG:
- The one where Loki grabs the Tesseract and escapes BEFORE being returned to Asgard to face Odin's judgement (Meaning in that reality he may not have been on the ship to be killed. Hell, Odin MAY have defeated Hela, and Asgard still exists in that reality too.
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- The one where Thanos jumps from 2014 into the present (before performing the snap or even gathering all 5 infinity stones) and is KILLED - meaning he doesn't jump back so in that reality 'the snap' never happens.)
- The one where Steve Rogers (after replacing all the infinity stones (and the Tesseract back in 1970 not 2012 ) jumps back to 1945 (or thereabout) marries agent Peggy Carter and lives the rest of his life in obscurity.)
It's VERY possible AoS takes place in an alternate timeline.
- The one where Loki grabs the Tesseract and escapes BEFORE being returned to Asgard to face Odin's judgement (Meaning in that reality he may not have been on the ship to be killed. Hell, Odin MAY have defeated Hela, and Asgard still exists in that reality too.
)- The one where Thanos jumps from 2014 into the present (before performing the snap or even gathering all 5 infinity stones) and is KILLED - meaning he doesn't jump back so in that reality 'the snap' never happens.)
- The one where Steve Rogers (after replacing all the infinity stones (and the Tesseract back in 1970 not 2012
) jumps back to 1945 (or thereabout) marries agent Peggy Carter and lives the rest of his life in obscurity.)It's VERY possible AoS takes place in an alternate timeline.
Except those writers said in a recent interview with the New York Times that they did consider including them and the Netflix characters but realized that it would mess-up those shows' respective timelines.
There are also photos of the returning cast members in the gallery, and the caption for Clark Gregg's photo calls his new character "Sarge". I don't think I've seen any kind of name for his character before this.
Only the people who were dusted by the Snap were shown to be back, not people who'd died by other means. The one exception is Gamora, who was brought forward by time travel. Although what happened with Loki in the post-Avengers 2012 sequence leaves me wondering about him.
I gather that Quicksilver's actor was involved in shooting, creating rumors, but that may have been for a flashback or time-travel sequence they ended up not using.
I gather that Quicksilver's actor was involved in shooting, creating rumors, but that may have been for a flashback or time-travel sequence they ended up not using.
Oh, another thing about the sequence mentioned in the above spoiler:
I think the movie conflicts a bit with Agents of SHIELD on what happened to Loki's scepter. IIRC, and judging by the MCU Wiki, AoS established that it was in SHIELD custody until its disappearance shortly before the Hydra Uprising in The Winter Soldier. But Endgame indicated that, in the original timeline, Sitwell and Rumlow secured the scepter for Dr. List immediately after the Battle of New York.
So I recently rewatched season two of Agents of SHIELD but I don't remember the details on the scepter or when it went missing.
The main reason they gave in that interview was that the Netflix characters weren't familiar to all of the moviegoing audience and they didn't have room to introduce them, so many viewers wouldn't have known their significance. I guess introducing Jarvis works because movie-only audiences would remember that JARVIS was Tony's AI, so if they're seeing for the first time that Howard Stark's butler was named Jarvis, they'd go "Ohhh, so that's where Tony got the name!" So it works as a reference to movie continuity.
OKAY, YOU GUYS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SOUSA.
NO, NOT THAT ONE.
I would have posted this in an old Agent Carter thread, but, let's be real, we're all in this thread anyhow, so...
Now, about our ol' Agents...
NO, NOT THAT ONE.
I would have posted this in an old Agent Carter thread, but, let's be real, we're all in this thread anyhow, so...
Obviously, Endgame was stupendous, but, especially after James D'Arcy made MCU history by becoming the first small-screen character to get promoted to the majors (and I totally, legit squee'd), did anyone else spend that final scene of Cap and Peggy dancing thinking: "But, what about Sousa?!"
And why isn't Enver Gjokaj working, damn it; he's amazing?!
Did Sousa not become the husband 1950s Peggy mentioned in her Winter Soldier-featured interview? Was the dance just a one-off farewell facilitated by Pym particles or The Ancient One, and did Steve go on to marry someone entirely different? Or, as the Russos kinda implied yesterday, did Steve live out a marriage with Peggy in a branching universe, that he then wiped from existence (as postulated by Banner to the Ancient One) after her death?
Okay, so all these questions are completely esoteric, and the correct answer is "It's just a movie, and doesn't matter."
So, what I guess I'm really asking is: was anyone else squirming and thinking of poor Sousa during that final scene of Endgame?
NO, DAMN IT, NOT THAT ONE!
And why isn't Enver Gjokaj working, damn it; he's amazing?!
Did Sousa not become the husband 1950s Peggy mentioned in her Winter Soldier-featured interview? Was the dance just a one-off farewell facilitated by Pym particles or The Ancient One, and did Steve go on to marry someone entirely different? Or, as the Russos kinda implied yesterday, did Steve live out a marriage with Peggy in a branching universe, that he then wiped from existence (as postulated by Banner to the Ancient One) after her death?
Okay, so all these questions are completely esoteric, and the correct answer is "It's just a movie, and doesn't matter."
So, what I guess I'm really asking is: was anyone else squirming and thinking of poor Sousa during that final scene of Endgame?
NO, DAMN IT, NOT THAT ONE!
Now, about our ol' Agents...
Yeah, if S6 is set a year after the Snap, and half the cast isn't missing, then, particularly given the direct mentions of the Thanos attack on Earth at the end of S5, the AOS timeline will definitively have gone the way of the Inhumans and Marvel/Netflix realities. 
I thought Coulson could appear, but
Since the time travel periods were 2012(after Loki was captured), 2013(Thor dark world), and 2014(Guardians of the Galaxy) plus a 1970 stop. There wasn't any that lined up for a Coulson in the past. He was 'killed' earlier in the movie in 2012. He wasn't on Asgard in 2013, and he wasn't with the Guardians in 2014.
None of the timelines were "wiped from existence." Did you miss Bruce's whole (clumsily expressed but scientifically accurate) rant about how every movie that showed time travel working that way was wrong? The whole reason that the Infinity Stones had to be returned to those new timeline branches was because, once they were created, they could not be erased. Once a new timeline is created, it's every bit as permanent and unalterable by time travel as the original, main timeline is. So they'd have their own versions of the crises that they needed the Infinity Stones to solve, and since their existence was permanent, that meant that millions of people would die in those timelines unless Steve returned the Infinity Stones to a time shortly after they were taken so that they'd still be available to the alternate timelines' heroes and could still be used to stop Malekith and Ronan and Dormammu and the rest. (Although the alt-2014 timeline gets lucky because it gets Thanos and his forces taken out of action 4 years early so the Snap would never happen there. So Strange was wrong and there are now at least two timelines where Thanos is defeated. Though the second was created by the events of the first, so maybe that's what he meant.)
So the timeline where Steve lived out his life with Peggy was a parallel branch to the main one where Peggy married Sousa. And it happened, and it's permanent. Nothing that happens can unhappen; it's part of the branching multiverse forever, and you can only create an alternate branch alongside it rather than "erasing" it (since erasing would require a version before and after the erasure, and a single moment in time can't come after itself; by definition, all different versions of that moment must exist simultaneously). And Avengers: Endgame is one of the few time-travel movies ever made to get that right (along with Star Trek 2009, probably Primer, maybe Source Code, and I dunno what else).
And this is why Deke still exists after the SHIELD team averted the future he came from. They didn't "erase" the timeline where he existed, because that's impossible; they just created an alternate future alongside it, one where the Earth wasn't destroyed. And presumably that's the future in which Endgame and all subsequent MCU productions take place.
So the timeline where Steve lived out his life with Peggy was a parallel branch to the main one where Peggy married Sousa. And it happened, and it's permanent. Nothing that happens can unhappen; it's part of the branching multiverse forever, and you can only create an alternate branch alongside it rather than "erasing" it (since erasing would require a version before and after the erasure, and a single moment in time can't come after itself; by definition, all different versions of that moment must exist simultaneously). And Avengers: Endgame is one of the few time-travel movies ever made to get that right (along with Star Trek 2009, probably Primer, maybe Source Code, and I dunno what else).
And this is why Deke still exists after the SHIELD team averted the future he came from. They didn't "erase" the timeline where he existed, because that's impossible; they just created an alternate future alongside it, one where the Earth wasn't destroyed. And presumably that's the future in which Endgame and all subsequent MCU productions take place.
Yeah, if S6 is set a year after the Snap, and half the cast isn't missing, then, particularly given the direct mentions of the Thanos attack on Earth at the end of S5, the AOS timeline will definitively have gone the way of the Inhumans and Marvel/Netflix realities.
Well, the Snap didn't take out exactly 50% of any given subset; its effects on the small scale were very inconsistent. For instance, it took 80% of Clint Barton's family, 100% of the Pym/Van Dyne family, none of the Iron Man core cast, etc. Apparently it took pretty much all of Peter Parker's prominent high school classmates, which is why they're all still in high school after a 5-year time jump in the next movie. So it's possible that the SHIELD team could've been missed altogether.
Maybe not. I saw somebody suggest that without Gamora and Nebula, the Guardians of the Galaxy movies might've turned out differently enough that Ego succeeded in his plan to engulf all those other planets, so that might not be the chill timeline you'd think at first glance.
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