Just imagine the huge uninhabited wastes where the Federation used to be, devastated by an all-out apocalyptic war between the Ferengi and the Pakleds...
Poll Season 3 Federation
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FEDERATION at a distance, yes. But there has to be some way to depict the impact of being in the future. I mean, if the same story can be told with Discovery in the 23rd century but 50000 ly away, making it seem like Voyager, then it would be a repeat. Even if you brought in aliens we've never seen before, with far advanced tech, it still wouldn't matter that they are 930 years in the future. It could just as well be the same aliens 50000ly away in the 23rd century. I don't know how they would accomplish impact of the future and keep the Federation at a distance, but looking forward to it.
Yep. Betting this is totally the direction. Honoring Gene by doing the Andromeda thing with a better budget and show runners.
Another reason I don't want a "fall of the Federation" story is because it makes all of Trek pointless.
Think of it. How could you ever watch any Trek series or movie, or read a novel (regardless of when they take place), given that you'd now know it's all going to be for nothing? If the Federation falls, what's the point of anything?
Think of it. How could you ever watch any Trek series or movie, or read a novel (regardless of when they take place), given that you'd now know it's all going to be for nothing? If the Federation falls, what's the point of anything?
The lengths they went to in order to remove Discovery from the 23rd century timeline and “bringing it into alignment with canon” makes it almost certain that they will never return to the past (at least not in this season). Will be interesting to see if they show the crew trying and failing to find a way home regardless or if they'll be all defeatist about it and won't even try. Both options feel weird to me.
Even thou they have removed them from 23rd, who's to say they dont get sent back and forth fixing problems.Will they try and get home
I think that's a bit more fatalistic than necessary. I can enjoy a story about noble Romans saving the empire despite knowing it will fall by the Early Middle Ages. History is going forward on its own path, there are ups and downs and despite what Francis Fukuyama thinks, it doesn't have anything that can be thought of as its end point (other than the inevitable heat death of the universe, of course). Babylon 5 wasn't invalidated for me by the reveal in the Season 4 finale that in 500 years, the Earth Alliance will descend into a civil war and atom-bomb itself back into the middle ages.Another reason I don't want a "fall of the Federation" story is because it makes all of Trek pointless.
Think of it. How could you ever watch any Trek series or movie, or read a novel (regardless of when they take place), given that you'd now know it's all going to be for nothing? If the Federation falls, what's the point of anything?
Depends on your perspective, I guess. I mean, from a certain point of view, the American government is supposed to "collapse" and re-form every 4 years.
If the polities that entered into a government in the first place (States in the US, nations of the EU, worlds of the Federation) built in an escape clause for members or a self-destruct mechanism for the whole thing if it turns out to be a bad idea, then collapse would actually be part of the function of the thing and an expression of the will of the people - which doesn't necessarily sound dystopian provided it proceeds in an orderly fashion and doesn't cause a descent into harmful chaos. See also: the orderly dissolution of the Soviet Union, and NOT the management of Brexit.
Just imagine the huge uninhabited wastes where the Federation used to be, devastated by an all-out apocalyptic war between the Ferengi and the Pakleds...
The Pakleds would have to keep borrowing photons and whatnot from the Ferengi to keep battling the Ferengi
"We'll gladly pay you Tuesday for some phaser emitters today"
I'd love them to meet a temporal agent who'd tell them they need to go back because historical records show they returned and they need to ensure that the timeline happens correctly... only for another version of the same temporal agent to appear and tell them they can't go back because they'd change history as the correct version is in which Discovery went to the future and stayed there.
Well, for one thing, Enterprise had to hold to network standards and couldn't show us Tilly-in-the-present buck naked having hot sexy times with Tilly-from-a-year-in-the-future. In her Mirror Universe outfit. Because it's necessary to save the universe. Or something.
(That might have sounded like I'm just being dirty and flippant, but I'm not JUST being dirty and flippant - I have a point: they have better writers with fewer episodes slots to fill, and there are stories they could do on CBSAA that they couldn't have touched on UPN. And some of those might actually have merit beyond satisfying my desire to see Crisis on Infinite Tillys.
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Well, I'll continue to hold out hope for Captain Killy surviving as a POW on Rura Penthe and escaping to become a space pirate and occasional thorn in the Enterprise's/Section 31's/etc. side, just so that we could have a Tilly in the 23rd century shows as well. And maybe to see Pike's face when he realizes who his new enemy is.
... but to be fair, that could've been done on UPN as well.
Because ENT did very little with it. They introduced the concept, then moved away from it almost immediately. By the time they revisisted it viewership was declining.
If they want to keep, say, Ash Tyler relevant I have a feeling Section 31 will play a large role in the transformation of the Federation into the V'Draysh.
Yeah, the Temporal Cold War was terrible. All will be forgiven though if they bring back Bakula to be Future Guy, per Brannon Braga's stated intentions for the character on Twitter.
I think i'd go for a Federation still there, but there morals have slipped abit, and are more "empire" building..
Example, USofA, 346 years ago, had a plan, but something like today, gone off the rails abit, same country, but different world view..
Maybe take the WW2 anology of the us a bit farther.. Say, After the Dominion, and maybe a battle with the borg, they win, and become a super power that sees itself as "The policeman" of the galaxy, and that they have a "What they say goes" not a "Bad" power just something that forces itself on others, .. You "neeed" the federation to protect you.. etc. and that the discovery pops up, and it eventually instills a more Utopian federation that doesn't force itself on others..
In the Daniels future Sam.. err Archer went to, there was a federation monument, but it didn't say that daniels was In the federation.
Or maybe the timewar went badly.. lots of ideas
Example, USofA, 346 years ago, had a plan, but something like today, gone off the rails abit, same country, but different world view..
Maybe take the WW2 anology of the us a bit farther.. Say, After the Dominion, and maybe a battle with the borg, they win, and become a super power that sees itself as "The policeman" of the galaxy, and that they have a "What they say goes" not a "Bad" power just something that forces itself on others, .. You "neeed" the federation to protect you.. etc. and that the discovery pops up, and it eventually instills a more Utopian federation that doesn't force itself on others..
In the Daniels future Sam.. err Archer went to, there was a federation monument, but it didn't say that daniels was In the federation.
Or maybe the timewar went badly.. lots of ideas
