Looking at this list of polls. If we have a Federation Civil War, does this mean there would be Space Confederates?
Poll Season 3 Federation
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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They built a great big, beautiful border wall all the way around the system - and made the Kazon pay for it. (Not trying to start a contemporary political argument here - just thinking that the opportunities for drawing some analogies are there in this setup, *regardless* of how one feels about contemporary politics.)
I'd honestly find it neat to have a setting where Earth (or the vicinity, up to all of the solar system) is for some reason off limits... it could be an uninhabitable wasteland, possibly radioactive, or perhaps completely engulfed by an impenetrable energy barrier either because of some [tech] gone wrong or as a result of a catastrophic war where this was weaponized, and so on.
It would be a meta storyline. The Space Confederates would totally be a stand in for internet trolls complaining about SJWs and the lack of white straight males.
So the Space Confederates would all be 40+ white men?
Nah. There are young ones, too.
Sadly this is true. School bullies everywhere have probably felt more empowered than ever these last few years.
TBH, while waiting for season 3 to commence (and still lingering in the warm, intriguing embers of Season 2), it’s quite a nice place to be, wondering what future awaits Discovery.
It opens up the doors on speculating, which truth-be-told is quite a fun activity (IMO).
‘The future is not yet set...’
Indeed!
It opens up the doors on speculating, which truth-be-told is quite a fun activity (IMO).
‘The future is not yet set...’
Indeed!
Personally, I don’t think we will see the Federation gone bad, the mirror universe covers that ground quite well. What I would like to see is a future where the Federation is a shadow of its former self, it’s flagship is centuries old, held together with duct tape and wishful thinking. Then again I’m a sucker for “used future, lost technology” setting and I’d like to see Star Trek’s take on it.
"There is no fate, but what we make." Fits in with all the Terminator tropes they mined this season.
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What I would find delightful in a different, right-is-left-and-upside-down kinda way would be if the Federation is, in a fundamentally amoral and unethical way, kinda sorta thriving.
Through some events (war or natural disaster that nearly, but not quite destroyed it in the past) it has become kinda ... overzealous and overbearing. The Federation way of life has to be protected at all cost, for is it not an Utopia? Is not everyone fed, and clothed, and sheltered? Do not it's citizens, no matter the species, live in harmony? Do they not all work together to research and explore the universe instead of chasing personal gain? Would it not be better if everyone was part of the Federation?
So the Federation has good intentions and treats it's populace well, but might do so by restricting the autonomy of its member worlds. And protecting it might mean that you "invite" your non-Federation neighbors (like Craft's people) to "join" you, so that they, too, can benefit from the fruits of cooperation between worlds, while at the same time removing another faction that might become a threat to the Federation in the future.
Enter the Discovery, which has a spore drive (but still only one pilot who they shouldn't overwork, so they have an edge without being OP). Maybe they inadvertently become the center of a quasi counter-Federation made up of whatever factions are holding out against the Federation, and maybe being a living, breathing example of what the Federation used to be makes people in the current Federation question the state of things.
I like the idea because it's dystopian, but not the apocalyptic version some people seem to expect when discussing a "fallen" Federation. It's more like how Crawley's fall is described in Good Omens: An Angel who did not so much Fall as Saunter Vaguely Downwards.
Also, I see a lot of potential to show well known Star Trek elements though this new lens: imagine Vulcans who are finding no fault in the logic that by forcing everyone into the Federation you bring peace to the galaxy. Or imagine Klingons who joined some 500 years prior, and are now loyal Federation members busy fighting to bring new sheep into the fold. Imagine Ferengi allied with and desperately protecting the few non-Federation zones, because who will they trade with if they are subsumed by the no-scarcity Federation?
Through some events (war or natural disaster that nearly, but not quite destroyed it in the past) it has become kinda ... overzealous and overbearing. The Federation way of life has to be protected at all cost, for is it not an Utopia? Is not everyone fed, and clothed, and sheltered? Do not it's citizens, no matter the species, live in harmony? Do they not all work together to research and explore the universe instead of chasing personal gain? Would it not be better if everyone was part of the Federation?
So the Federation has good intentions and treats it's populace well, but might do so by restricting the autonomy of its member worlds. And protecting it might mean that you "invite" your non-Federation neighbors (like Craft's people) to "join" you, so that they, too, can benefit from the fruits of cooperation between worlds, while at the same time removing another faction that might become a threat to the Federation in the future.
Enter the Discovery, which has a spore drive (but still only one pilot who they shouldn't overwork, so they have an edge without being OP). Maybe they inadvertently become the center of a quasi counter-Federation made up of whatever factions are holding out against the Federation, and maybe being a living, breathing example of what the Federation used to be makes people in the current Federation question the state of things.
I like the idea because it's dystopian, but not the apocalyptic version some people seem to expect when discussing a "fallen" Federation. It's more like how Crawley's fall is described in Good Omens: An Angel who did not so much Fall as Saunter Vaguely Downwards.
Also, I see a lot of potential to show well known Star Trek elements though this new lens: imagine Vulcans who are finding no fault in the logic that by forcing everyone into the Federation you bring peace to the galaxy. Or imagine Klingons who joined some 500 years prior, and are now loyal Federation members busy fighting to bring new sheep into the fold. Imagine Ferengi allied with and desperately protecting the few non-Federation zones, because who will they trade with if they are subsumed by the no-scarcity Federation?
I would kinda like that. It is nit quite so dystopian as the Fall of the Federation, the individual solar systems could still be doing somewhat okay, even if they have to drastically tighten their belts.
I am curious to know how the collapse of a government could not be regarded as not dystopian.
The Time Lords have claimed it for their own.
i’m not about bleak storytelling in this universe, but i also think running into an even more futuristic federation is boring, so...
maybe the federation of the 32nd century packed up and left. some fierce enemy threatened them, so they opted to leave rather than fight. maybe by this time the federation can move entire planets or shift them out of space time or some nonsense that leaves federation space as we know it abandoned but home to new enemies and new friends.
so it’s both federation same and federation gone.
maybe the federation of the 32nd century packed up and left. some fierce enemy threatened them, so they opted to leave rather than fight. maybe by this time the federation can move entire planets or shift them out of space time or some nonsense that leaves federation space as we know it abandoned but home to new enemies and new friends.
so it’s both federation same and federation gone.
That would be a perfect ending for an episode... Discovery finally jumps back to Earth, only to find everything gone. Not destroyed, not extinct, just completely gone without a trace. Everything artificial, starships, space stations, buildings, infrastructure disappeared as if it never existed, just virgin land as far as their sensors can see.
As for the idea of the Federation being possibly broken and "amoral" in the future
Surely a case could be made that the Federation is already amoral, or at least duplicitous ?
After all, it harbours an organisation like Section 31 under its supposedly squeaky clean umbrella.
Surely a case could be made that the Federation is already amoral, or at least duplicitous ?
After all, it harbours an organisation like Section 31 under its supposedly squeaky clean umbrella.
Yes, my thoughts are that although a Blake's 7- style evil Federation would be cool, it's just going a little further in the Section 31 direction they've already established this season.
