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How would you handle a TOS reboot/remake/continuation?
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Security trained, functioning as personal security for Kirk seems OK. Not security chief though, she's only a petty officer.
Yeah, but then the visual difference would jarring that it wouldn't fit.
I'm not totally against gender swapping but see that Kirk and Spock would need to be very strong characters as they were in TOS. Whether male or female you couldn't have any character swooning and relying on the other to save them.If Kirk or Spock or both were to be female then they'd have to be kickass like Kara Thrace but not so off the wall. Also most people want to ignore any K/S elements but with a male/female dynamic then I can't see them not ending up in bed together by the end of Season 2. Which may not be a bad thing. I'm not sure.
I agree that in a new TOS the female characters need to be better utilised and it could happen without gender swapping. Uhura needs to take command of the ship on more occasions. Maybe Sulu could be gender swapped. He took command a few times. I really think the characters of Rand and Chapel need to be rewritten. On many occasions Chapel and Rand acted like teen girls with a crush. They either needed to be played by younger actors or just cut out the obviousness of their crushes. Rand could should have commanded the non-officers and Chapel be ships biologist or maybe a paramedic type person. While there's nothing wrong with Chapel being a nurse I think there needs to be another female character who isn't an assistant or a care giver
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I’d go the route that they seem to be going with Pike on Discovery. Have a few series with Pike and Spock, or maybe a few TV movies. But when the time is right, launch a new series with a new Kirk, hopefully with a role somewhere for Shatner. I’d call it Star Trek: Five Year Mission (5YM) and have a mix of new stories and retelling of old ones, the best ones.
I’d treat the Original Series as apocryphal. Those adventures happened, but maybe not exactly the way we saw it the first time. Hound of the Baskerville gets retold often enough with new actors, why not space seed?
Just as an example. The general outline of the Botany Bay would remain, but it’s interior would be more in keeping with nineties styles and tech. I’d keep all of the log entries and stardates the same as the TOS version but events and scenes could play out differently but still lead to Kahn being marooned.
The events of less well received episodes could be alluded to in other episodes so that they still “happened”, but focus on story telling that meets modern expectations.
The best part would be the new adventures that take place in the wilderness years. The second five year mission, and the events leading up to the refit, a recast Decker. Then what happened between TMP and TWoK. By this point, the new crew might be wanting to move on, so maybe shift focus on to another crew and just have the enterprise appear, like it does on Discovery.
The options are limitless, and all within the existing continuity, if we treat it as a retelling, not a reboot.
I’d treat the Original Series as apocryphal. Those adventures happened, but maybe not exactly the way we saw it the first time. Hound of the Baskerville gets retold often enough with new actors, why not space seed?
Just as an example. The general outline of the Botany Bay would remain, but it’s interior would be more in keeping with nineties styles and tech. I’d keep all of the log entries and stardates the same as the TOS version but events and scenes could play out differently but still lead to Kahn being marooned.
The events of less well received episodes could be alluded to in other episodes so that they still “happened”, but focus on story telling that meets modern expectations.
The best part would be the new adventures that take place in the wilderness years. The second five year mission, and the events leading up to the refit, a recast Decker. Then what happened between TMP and TWoK. By this point, the new crew might be wanting to move on, so maybe shift focus on to another crew and just have the enterprise appear, like it does on Discovery.
The options are limitless, and all within the existing continuity, if we treat it as a retelling, not a reboot.
TOS was awesome as it was.
I don't think it needs a retelling
Lets treat every Trek series as apocryphal then. Lets only the latest Trek be 'real'..
When the Picard series comes out lets make TNG apocryphal.
If this were to be, then I'd hope a season of April, a couple seasons of Pike, and a handoff to Kirk that would retell a few of the best of the original 79, and move onto more and original stories. Truth be told though, I don't think they'd go back to April except as a back in the day episode. I'm very excited for a Pike series!
Don't worry. When it comes out they'll be treating TNG as apocryphal.
Picard was really a Section 31 agent all along! Dun Dun DUUUUUUUNNNN!!!!!
I'd start it with an older Starfleet Admiral* waking up and hearing someone in her shower. And when she'd go to see who it is, it'd be Charlie X. And then we'd reveal that nothing shown since the end of TOS ever actually happened.
Kidding. Actually, I think I'd steal certain uniforms and a certain recent set from Discovery, and make a show that takes place the year after TOS ended, on a pre-refit Miranda. (But not Reliant.) All new crew, and if there were any crossovers, they would be of the "meanwhile, elsewhere" variety - no direct interaction with Kirk and company.
* played by Victoria Principal, of course.
Kidding. Actually, I think I'd steal certain uniforms and a certain recent set from Discovery, and make a show that takes place the year after TOS ended, on a pre-refit Miranda. (But not Reliant.) All new crew, and if there were any crossovers, they would be of the "meanwhile, elsewhere" variety - no direct interaction with Kirk and company.
* played by Victoria Principal, of course.
Never been a fan of prequels and reboots. It's regurgitation and not the sort that birds puke up for their young. Even Roddenberry, who had an idea of doing Academy-era Kirk, would have had a misfire. Not because it's him but unless there's something really amazing that can bridge a gap between a character when we first meet them and a really epic past incident, it boils down to audience interest. Do casual viewers really care what - say - Kirk did at age 20, or who? Um, no... Hardcore fans will care, and usually either too much so or point out all the inconsistencies that made the attempt to fill in Kirk's past render it all impossible (at best)?
If there's a new story to tell, why not make a sequel or parallel universe timeline and do it some justice and not ice skating on the stereotyped attributes and catchphrases?
Or another show, it's embarrassing that "The Orville" is pretty much a Star Trek spinoff in all but name as it's taken new directions and innovations that actually excite, meanwhile the official latest Trek incarnation just grabs a handful of old names and fiddles around with them as if we'd ooh and aah over anything - and so nonchalantly so, to the point I didn't care why Neckbeard Spock there killed all his shrinks. I'm sure there is a robust tie-in that makes it all fit in properly, since audiences were told this is in the same universe as TOS... (though it still makes more sense to be in its own timeline but audiences were robbed of the freedom to choose since we've been told outright it's the same universe...)
I'll admit, the redo of the Enterprise - interior and exterior - is a lovely example of "25% different" done right. Just don't talk about "the collars on the uniforms". Is Marsden also making a good point that this is a backdoor to a remake of TOS itself? (Which the 2009-2018 films sorta already did and proved at the same time it's not a good idea if all they're going to do is coast on half-baked nostalgia memories.)
And, looking at both DSC and Orville, pretend neither of them has anything to do with Star Trek and has to rely solely on what it's carrying, which one is more robustly written and acted?
If there's a new story to tell, why not make a sequel or parallel universe timeline and do it some justice and not ice skating on the stereotyped attributes and catchphrases?
Or another show, it's embarrassing that "The Orville" is pretty much a Star Trek spinoff in all but name as it's taken new directions and innovations that actually excite, meanwhile the official latest Trek incarnation just grabs a handful of old names and fiddles around with them as if we'd ooh and aah over anything - and so nonchalantly so, to the point I didn't care why Neckbeard Spock there killed all his shrinks. I'm sure there is a robust tie-in that makes it all fit in properly, since audiences were told this is in the same universe as TOS... (though it still makes more sense to be in its own timeline but audiences were robbed of the freedom to choose since we've been told outright it's the same universe...)
I'll admit, the redo of the Enterprise - interior and exterior - is a lovely example of "25% different" done right. Just don't talk about "the collars on the uniforms". Is Marsden also making a good point that this is a backdoor to a remake of TOS itself? (Which the 2009-2018 films sorta already did and proved at the same time it's not a good idea if all they're going to do is coast on half-baked nostalgia memories.)
And, looking at both DSC and Orville, pretend neither of them has anything to do with Star Trek and has to rely solely on what it's carrying, which one is more robustly written and acted?
I wouldn't remake existing episodes in order to do a continuation of an old series. The events that took place in the previous episodes can still take place, but the details can be "toned down", and, in some ways, acknowledged, as needed. For example, Captain Pike's line about not being comfortable with women on the Bridge could be a story element that ends with Pike apologizing to Number One. This will demonstrate that in spite of it being "the future", humanity's innate prejudices can pop-up within us. Pike would be an example of this, Pike's sexism, could be a jumping point for some character growth. Pike ISN'T a bad guy, but he is flawed...like the rest of us. And if Pike can grow from that frame of mind, so can we.
It's already been done on the surprisingly excellent YouTube series: Star Trek Continues. Using the props/sets/uniforms/music of the original, it's just like plunging right back into the original series. Vic Mignogna is such a perfect, exact clone of Shatner/Kirk, it's sometimes hard to tell the difference. Right down to the detailed mannerisms. Not to mention it had some very ambitious sci-fi plot ideas & surprises. Even being made multi-decades apart, Star Trek Continues fits into the original as neatly as you please.
If there's still fuel left in the characters and setting, and quality stories still to be told, I don't see any reason not to go for it - fan works and licensed works have been doing it successfully for years. I want a new crew and new stories as much as anyone, but it seems like there's plenty to be told about the fourth and fifth years of the Enterprise's mission. Especially given that everything we do know about the 4th and 5th years, from non-canon and semi-canon sources like TAS, videogames and novels suggests that things get insanely trippy towards the end.
Loved it, especially the Mirror Universe episode which is literally the only use of the setting other than Mirror, Mirror that I've actually enjoyed.
Ah yes, I was always curious about Mirror, Mirror and wanted some kind of sequel to it. That's why it's my personal favorite of the dozen or so episodes of Star Trek Continues so far.
I can't watch Continues anymore after all the things Vic did allegedly.
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