THE ORVILLE S2, E13: "TOMORROW, AND TOMORROW, AND TOMORROW"
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Past Kelly, put a robe on over her lingerie.
Captain Mercer, put a robe on over his plain sleepwear. The Helmsman, just showed up in his sleepwear. Was there at least one more?
As for Picard & Crew, they have appeared on their bridge, wearing costumes made for the, Holodeck. Some were uniforms though.
Now to avoid double posting.
For the former West German guy, still catching up on, Seth's works. Before you'd see the movie, "A Million Ways To Die In The West", you will appreciate it more, if you have at least seen the third, "Back to the Future" movie, and all of, "Django Unchained". The latest version.
Hah! Mercer would rather chew glass!
This episode has an advantage over other similar series or movies, because the writers have more knowledge about Quantum Physics.
Battery about to die in.....
Plugged in and recharging!
Seth Green, in "Family Guy", was the only Seth name that I recognized back then.
Seth MacFarlane, is also a musician with albums out for sale. People know him that way too. He has performed on various talk shows, and not just to promote his albums.
That's one reason why he intersects popular music into his shows and movies.
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Real Kelly as well as Talla. That makes five. Only Bortus was dressed correctly because he already was on the bridge. So he does not sleep, being on the bridge day and night? No wonder Klyden complains!
The dancing Moclans made me laugh as well as Ed and Gordon on the sofa. I never was young, my reaction "This is so loud" would have been the same back then already
The two Kellys were indeed played wonderfully and very differently. But man, her legs looked thin in the tight pants!
I loved Gordon giving the right advice to Ed even though he didn't want to hear it at the time. He saw it as it was. That's what a good friend is.
Only one episode left and I am still waiting for Ed's "Um" from the trailer for episode 2x07. When will I get to see this? Have I missed something? Here's the trailer which clearly also shows scenes from other episodes:
I think as an Ed fan I would remember such a thing.
You mean me? That would be East German girl
I started with "Ted" and was grateful I already knew "Flash Gordon" as that also was an important part of the movie. Then moved on to "Ted 2" which I liked even better and finally "A Million Ways to die in the West" which I absolutely adore. Albert is so sweet. Of course I already had a love for Westerns so this fits right in. Have yet to watch "Django Unchained" though.
Of course I also know "Back to the future", although I managed to go onto the ride in Universal Studios in L.A. back in 1994 without having seen it at the time. Was still fun.
I even got the animated movie "Sing!" from the library only based on seeing the clip of Seth singing a wonderful "My Way" in there and absolutely loved it as well. And a friend even talked me into watching the second "Hellboy" movie as he voices a (German) guy there. I did not expect to like it but in the end I honestly did too.
So far, only wins! Now I am making my way through "Family Guy" (I still like the Simpsons family better though, sorry Seth) and also am very much looking forward to "The loudest voice".
East Germany?
Time traveler?
Time traveler?
I still live in the same place and it is still referenced as East and West a lot because there are huge differences in income, employment, also representation (only very few East Germans in higher up important positions and it has been 30 years now) and other political things I don't want to bore you with.
I just brought it up as my upbringing, living behind the wall prevented me from learning about a lot of things others consider to be general knowledge and even though I do my best to catch up my experiences just are different. Different movies, different music, different TV shows. Some has survived but a lot also is gone forever and that is one thing I really regret. Imagine losing your life, everything you knew, overnight and have it replaced by a different version. Wouldn't you feel lost? Even the language changed big time. As did the street names in my city.
And to bring this back on topic, it's why I could relate to young Kelly when she realized she could not go back. Even though her family is still alive on Earth, it is not HER family anymore. She can't go visit them as they would not know her and it would be hard to explain. She lost everything she knew, much like the SG-1 crew did when their brains were copied into robots. They felt as if they were still themselves, but all they knew belonged now to the originals and they were left with nothing.
I'm surprised she did not freak out more.
I just brought it up as my upbringing, living behind the wall prevented me from learning about a lot of things others consider to be general knowledge and even though I do my best to catch up my experiences just are different. Different movies, different music, different TV shows. Some has survived but a lot also is gone forever and that is one thing I really regret. Imagine losing your life, everything you knew, overnight and have it replaced by a different version. Wouldn't you feel lost? Even the language changed big time. As did the street names in my city.
And to bring this back on topic, it's why I could relate to young Kelly when she realized she could not go back. Even though her family is still alive on Earth, it is not HER family anymore. She can't go visit them as they would not know her and it would be hard to explain. She lost everything she knew, much like the SG-1 crew did when their brains were copied into robots. They felt as if they were still themselves, but all they knew belonged now to the originals and they were left with nothing.
I'm surprised she did not freak out more.
So despite all that, you're still not a time traveler?
What about the teenage clone of 50ish year old Jack O'Neil, who went back to high school so that he could "bang" 15 year olds?
What about the teenage clone of 50ish year old Jack O'Neil, who went back to high school so that he could "bang" 15 year olds?
I had this feeling through the last ten minutes or so that the story was going so much by-the-numbers - I mean, it really could have been a TNG episode, technobabble and all - that I felt it was the second misfire of the season (you know, that silly astrology episode...). I also suspected that it was so pat that they were likely going to take a sudden left turn at the end, but until Ed called her in her apartment I thought that Young Kelly was going to be killed by the attempt to send her back.* But when the after-date conversation starts, you know they're going to pull the rug out.
*The logline for next week makes it clear that this week's show continues to have ramifications.
*The logline for next week makes it clear that this week's show continues to have ramifications.
There's no cure for sciatica but memory can be wiped with an injection! The future is bleak.
I think the use of time distortions was underwhelming. They could have at least had younger Kelly run up to Ed and kiss passionately, like the Riker duplicate did with Troi.... I also would have more...intruders like...Topa as a newborn girl
Didn't Riker show up in Engineering for duty, in his PJs once?
Didn't Riker show up in Engineering for duty, in his PJs once?
Pretty good episode. Another of those ones where it is superficially similar to a Trek episode (in this case TNG Second Chances) but the Orville take on it completely blows the Trek take out of the water. Bortus and Klyden dancing at the night club was hilarious. And although I was hesitant when I first heard the plot with what I thought was a time travel episode, the episode is more a character piece for Ed and Kelly and their relationship, which makes it work. And the ending definitely takes the show in a new direction and sets up some interesting possibilities.
Anyway, I figured they would do something similar here and Present Kelly would seek out a transfer, possibly even a promotion and Past Kelly would stay on the Orville as a junior science officer. While I think there could have been story potential there, I have no problem with the way it did turn out either.
A conversation between me and my younger self would basically consist of the two of us telling each other to fuck off. I've actually put a lot of thought into this, even before seeing this episode.
I'm a different person now than I was seven years ago. Or you could always go to a long running TV series, compare how much is different in the seventh season than the first.
There are plenty of times in Star Trek in which we see crew enter the bridge in their PJs, civvies, or holodeck costumes.
My interpretation was that this night was his turn to be the night shift watch officer. Like on Voyager, Harry Kim commanded the night shift something like two nights a week.
In the DVD commentary, the writer of that episode was actually surprised to find out so many fans made that conclusion about why teenage Jack O'Neill chose to attend high school again. He even asked "what is wrong with you people that that's where your mind went in that scene?" I guess something's wrong with me too, since that's also where my mind went.
A thought I had during this episode goes back to my comparison to TNG Second Chances, specifically there was supposedly talk of killing Will Riker in that episode, but keeping Jonathan Frakes around as Tom Riker. Data would be promoted to first officer, and Tom Riker would take over as ops officer. Berman apparently rejected this idea fearing it would ruin his syndication dreams or something.
Anyway, I figured they would do something similar here and Present Kelly would seek out a transfer, possibly even a promotion and Past Kelly would stay on the Orville as a junior science officer. While I think there could have been story potential there, I have no problem with the way it did turn out either.
Yeah, that was one of the details that didn't really work for me. It would have worked better at 10-12 years, but I suspect they did it this way to make tying it into the first date work.
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There were some good thought experiments in this episode, like if you could go back and give your younger self some advice, what would you tell them? If you could see your older self, would you be happy or miserable? Then there's the whole idea of recapturing the past, and not realizing that every moment we have is lightning in a bottle, and we cannot just reproduce it even if all of the same elements are there.
I know that I think about these things, and I like that this episode explored them as well. I do have one question: what is going to happen next? When past Kelly returns home, she rejects Ed's offer of a second date. Did she remember? Was she just unsure from remnants of her experience that may not have been wiped? What could it be? How will it affect the future of the Orville's timeline?
Okay, that's more than one question, but now I'm curious where they go with this, and I also hope it gets renewed for a third season. We only have one more episode in this season, and I want more.
There were a few quirks in the episode, like how quickly they put younger Kelly in a uniform, considering she's 7 years behind everything. Also, how quickly younger Kelly adjusts to being out of her time and away from the people who know her as she was 7 years prior. Wouldn't that affect the current timeline? Ah well, small things for me that don't affect the story to the point where it's a real negative for me.
This episode gets a solid A. It would have been a B+, but Bortus and Klyden dancing bumped it up a good notch. I mean, seriously, I laughed hard at that scene. It also makes me hopeful that Klyden and Bortus are starting to heal their relationship.
I know that I think about these things, and I like that this episode explored them as well. I do have one question: what is going to happen next? When past Kelly returns home, she rejects Ed's offer of a second date. Did she remember? Was she just unsure from remnants of her experience that may not have been wiped? What could it be? How will it affect the future of the Orville's timeline?
Okay, that's more than one question, but now I'm curious where they go with this, and I also hope it gets renewed for a third season. We only have one more episode in this season, and I want more.
There were a few quirks in the episode, like how quickly they put younger Kelly in a uniform, considering she's 7 years behind everything. Also, how quickly younger Kelly adjusts to being out of her time and away from the people who know her as she was 7 years prior. Wouldn't that affect the current timeline? Ah well, small things for me that don't affect the story to the point where it's a real negative for me.
This episode gets a solid A. It would have been a B+, but Bortus and Klyden dancing bumped it up a good notch. I mean, seriously, I laughed hard at that scene. It also makes me hopeful that Klyden and Bortus are starting to heal their relationship.
I don't know. For me, 9 years feels a lifetime already. A lot can happen in a few years, let alone 7, and in a universe like The Orville's.
Do we know how old people are when they finish at Union Point? If it’s early 20s I can definitely see seven years being monumentally changing, but once you get into your upper 20s and beyond I’m not sure how big of a difference it is on average for most people. YMMV of course.
As aforementioned, lots of parallels with TNG Second Chances. The ending though seems bold and I really hope they do something permanent with it. Solid episode.
As aforementioned, lots of parallels with TNG Second Chances. The ending though seems bold and I really hope they do something permanent with it. Solid episode.
I dunno, if anything for me the stuff with Bortus and Klyden in the club would've taken this episode DOWN a grade or something just because of everything that happened last week you'd think it'd be really hard for the two to reconcile their relationship since they're on completely different pages, hell different books, of beliefs. Unless Bortus's dressing down of Klyden really made him reconsider things.
I thought it was a good episode, I'd probably put it as one of the more "middling" episodes of the season but it looks like what happened may have consequences for next week and [any] future.
The costume/make-up/hair people did a good job of making "Past" Kelly look different and younger than "Present" Kelly, Adriane Palicki also did a good job in her acting in making the two of them seem at different points in their life.
Depending on the span, I think 7 years is long enough for someone to have changed so much in their personality and their outlook on life. Myself? Seven years ago I was 33, so I probably wasn't that much different other than in my outlook on the world/country because of who was president back then and where we seemed to be headed as a country. But, in life? I think "he" wouldn't be surprised or upset.
But, 23-year-old me and 30-year-old me? That's a different story. That's a different span of life where much different things are "expected" to happen.
I got to say, though, Ed should have "known" how awkward/unusual it'd be to date the younger version of Kelly while the "present" version of her was on the ship. I mean, you'd think he'd know that such a thing is pretty fucked up.
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Good point. 28 year old me and 35 year old me might as well be two entirely different people with what I have experienced. Even 39 year old me looks at the other two and says "wow, you just don't even know what's coming."
Considering how Topa behaved towards the girl in his class, I'm hoping that Bortus has managed to get a seed of doubt in Klyden's mind, and that maybe it's starting to work. I don't want bad things to happen to Klyden. He is a product of his culture, and what happened to him as a child is abhorrent, and now he's having to face that. His child is a constant reminder. His husband is a constant reminder. Some people will push harder into denial to avoid it. I believe Klyden is a fundamentally good person who has been severely damaged and has adapted and healed as best as he could. A lot of people who have faced childhood trauma just do their best to self-heal, sometimes with terrible results.
I think Ed was desperate to rekindle, and Cmdr. Kelly realized this, that Ed was thinking with his heart rather than his head. The divorce devastated him. Just imagine if the person you loved with all of your heart left you, ripping your heart out with it, and then a few years later a younger version of her appears, free of the baggage that brought it all about in the first place? It might be one hell of a Siren call, too tempting to pass up, and that's what the past often is, and why we dwell on it so much.
It's why Cmdr. Kelly approached Lt. Kelly about it. She had to get to the source of the problem, knowing that Ed was still wholly in love with her, and a chance like this might be impossible for him to pass up.
The writer might have not intended it but they clearly showed him looking at young girls and then smiling and saying that he likes it there. It is rather weird if you think about it. Having to go through all of it again, knowing that many little things that seem important in school are not really important in real life.
I did like the episode as a whole though, great way to have a Jack episode without actually having RDA there. The young guy had his mannerisms down to a T.
I just realized I forgot to mention something from this week's Orville episode that has cracked me up with every repeated viewing: The scene after drunken Ed brings Kelly home and then meets that guy in the corridor, going from goofy to serious. Perfect timing.
The premise of this episode just seemed a bit lazy. Besides it being an obvious riff on Second Chances. The way they did it seemed just easy and superficial.
And do we have an alternate timeline where the two never dated now?
Don't know what that writer is talking about, it was blatantly obvious in that scene that he intended to date as a teenager but with the knowledge and experience of an adult.
And do we have an alternate timeline where the two never dated now?
Don't know what that writer is talking about, it was blatantly obvious in that scene that he intended to date as a teenager but with the knowledge and experience of an adult.
