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The original plan was always to shift timeframes. Given the changes in the showrunners, perhaps the manner of the time jump has changed, but it was always the plan.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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The original plan was always to shift timeframes. Given the changes in the showrunners, perhaps the manner of the time jump has changed, but it was always the plan.
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Yeah its made pretty clear that there is a problem with Control before the probe appears but its not major at that point.
Essentially the future Control sent the probe back in time to speed up its evolution via a shortcut, possibly just because it could or possibly due to the actions of Dr Burnham, it may have been its way of dealing with her interference or Burnham and Discovery if they find that they have brought Control with them or it wasnt completely eradicated in the present.
I dont think its as over as the show runners are saying it is.
Same as I didnt believe Anson Mounts claims that he is now unemployed, its not the sort of thing actors say and smells like a cover up to me to keep the show a secret until they are ready to reveal it.
Unless they are idiots and are not going to do it at all.
Maybe they go hide in a dark corner somewhere and make you think that they're gone, but then they rebuild and rise again.
Kor
Disappointed by the stupid ending of those left in the 23rd century deciding simply not to mention the spore drive, Discovery or its crew ever again as if that fixes continuity questions. A better ending would for Discovery to go into the future and to disappear from history, existing as a remnant of a erased timeline. No one in the 23rd century would remember the spore drive or Discovery ever existing. The episode should have ended with the Klingons reverted to their more familiar appearance fighting the Enterprise instead of fighting with them.
That's just my opinion though.
That's just my opinion though.
I agree. The Power of The Burnham is real. Not only does it keep the entire crew on the ship, but even more than that, it forces people who hate the show to keep watching!
Hey, I had a C-band Satellite Dish and Receiver too back in the day and yeah, saw TNG and DS9 a week ahead of my friends who saw it syndicated. (It was also fun to watch National News anchors make fools of themselves trying to hit on their makeup girls just prior to going on a LIVE feed. (Yes, this was LONG before #meetoo.)
[And sorry, this is a reply to a post WAY early in this thread, but I couldn't resist because it was fun to get the syndicated feeds that always had 'bumps', 'tags' and commercial promos with clean Star Trek sound effects you could lift/use for other audio/visual projects - and I did
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Hey, I had a C-band Satellite Dish and Receiver too back in the day and yeah, saw TNG and DS9 a week ahead of my friends who saw it syndicated. (It was also fun to watch National News achors make fools of themselves trying to hit on their makeup girls just prior to going on a LIVE feed. (Yes, this was LONG before #meetoo.)
[And sorry, this is a reply to a post WAY early in this thread, but I couldn't resist because it was fun to get the syndicated feeds that always had 'bumps', 'tags' and commercial promos with clean Star Trek sound effects you could lift/use for other audio/visual projects - and I did
Oh I remember the C-band wild feeds during the ENT days
Great Maker, that was intense. My hands are still sweaty and shaking. It goes without saying I loved it (10, what else?). I haven't been this excited for a Star Trek episode since Discovery first came on and I wasn't disappointed by what I got. And luckily, I have been able to resist the temptation to open any Trek sites today, so I went into it spoiler-free.
I loved the space battle scenes. The pacing was tight and intense, and worked perfectly together with the chaotic swirl of the battle prep and suit assembly sequence at the beginning. The battle itself was more chaotic and visceral than anything I've seen on Star Trek before, including DS9. To offer an analogy, this battle was basically the World War 2 meatgrinder to DS9's Napoleonic monumentality for me. I also loved Michael flying through it all, and it came through really well how insanely dangerous that stunt was. Seriously, if it was me in that suit, it would've gone like "I'm OK, Spock, I just puked on the visor. I can't see a damn thing!"
On a side note, I'm also very glad Burnham remembered to save the Kelpiens too. If I were in her place, I would totally forget about that in my single-minded focus on getting all the signals in place. At least we finally know what Kaminar was needed for, something I wondered much about since The Sound of Thunder.
Seriously, the visuals were absolutely gorgeous all the time. The jumps themselves were really stylish and even the wormhole's light distortion looked kind of OK, but I'm no astrophysicist. Tilly or Reno might facepalm at how inaccurate it looked. Speaking of Tilly, she deserves every beer she wants from now on. Despite it never having a nonzero chance of happening, I was actually afraid she might die trying to raise the shields.
Spock and Burnham's goodbyes... there were no words. It was just so beautiful and emotional. As for Spock's shuttle being disabled, I was not surprised it ended this way, as it was the easiest solution and also spared him the need to do something stupid just for the sake of canon.
What I was disappointed about, however, was that they totally glossed over how Control was eliminated in the end. There are many adequate scenarios that would let me sleep at night, but I'm still quite bummed about the writers apparently forgetting the hardware/software distinction again and making it look like the whole thing was just contained within Leland. I guess Tyler did get his explanation though, after we cut to Spock, given he's going to lead Section 31. It would've been nice to hear the investigator saying a little bit more than a curt confirmation.
Other than Control, two questions remain for me:
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I loved the space battle scenes. The pacing was tight and intense, and worked perfectly together with the chaotic swirl of the battle prep and suit assembly sequence at the beginning. The battle itself was more chaotic and visceral than anything I've seen on Star Trek before, including DS9. To offer an analogy, this battle was basically the World War 2 meatgrinder to DS9's Napoleonic monumentality for me. I also loved Michael flying through it all, and it came through really well how insanely dangerous that stunt was. Seriously, if it was me in that suit, it would've gone like "I'm OK, Spock, I just puked on the visor. I can't see a damn thing!"
On a side note, I'm also very glad Burnham remembered to save the Kelpiens too. If I were in her place, I would totally forget about that in my single-minded focus on getting all the signals in place. At least we finally know what Kaminar was needed for, something I wondered much about since The Sound of Thunder.
Seriously, the visuals were absolutely gorgeous all the time. The jumps themselves were really stylish and even the wormhole's light distortion looked kind of OK, but I'm no astrophysicist. Tilly or Reno might facepalm at how inaccurate it looked. Speaking of Tilly, she deserves every beer she wants from now on. Despite it never having a nonzero chance of happening, I was actually afraid she might die trying to raise the shields.
Spock and Burnham's goodbyes... there were no words. It was just so beautiful and emotional. As for Spock's shuttle being disabled, I was not surprised it ended this way, as it was the easiest solution and also spared him the need to do something stupid just for the sake of canon.
What I was disappointed about, however, was that they totally glossed over how Control was eliminated in the end. There are many adequate scenarios that would let me sleep at night, but I'm still quite bummed about the writers apparently forgetting the hardware/software distinction again and making it look like the whole thing was just contained within Leland. I guess Tyler did get his explanation though, after we cut to Spock, given he's going to lead Section 31. It would've been nice to hear the investigator saying a little bit more than a curt confirmation.
Other than Control, two questions remain for me:
- How exactly the Kelpiens and the Klingons were called, because I didn't quite catch that.
- To what extent is Discovery going to be expunged from the record? I'd find it quite harsh to sentence the whole crew to a literal damnatio memoriae, not to mention unenforcable. But then again, this was merely Spock's suggestion and not necessarily what Starfleet would implement eventually. I'd guess they would be retroactively reassigned someplace else and listed as KIA.
Observations:
- I absolutely lost it at Pike trying to invoke plot armor and Cornwell immediately telling him how stupid that would be.
- I wonder how the gravity failure scene was shot. I suppose they didn't have the kind of money and time Chris Nolan had with Inception.
- The wormhole effect reminded me of TMP a lot.
- I absolutely loved Number One's refusal to divulge her name. It worked really well for me, as she already looked like she was having none of the investigator's shit and just wanted this whole questioning to end so that she could go eat a cheeseburger.
- Loved the classic moiré scanner at Spock's station. Well, shit, loved the Enterprise and loved Spock in uniform at the very end.
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An amazing finale with events, relationships, new additions to the franchise kept intact! That was my concern and I'm glad I worried for nothing! I don't think they needed to keep everything secret. Spock simply doesn't talk about family should of been enough but maybe some will shut up now but I doubt it since the Michael and Spock sibling relation is still 100% there and it's a strong one! Loved all their scenes together!
Hope we get season 3 information soon. I was a little disappointed we didn't see where everyone ended uo. That said I hope they finally put Michael in the chair after all she's done. Ideally they find a second ship and Saru gets to be captain but they've made their lead wait long enough.
I also loved all the focus and lead roles the female characters got in this finally. Discovery has been good about this in general but it was really on display here and it was great!
Hope we get season 3 information soon. I was a little disappointed we didn't see where everyone ended uo. That said I hope they finally put Michael in the chair after all she's done. Ideally they find a second ship and Saru gets to be captain but they've made their lead wait long enough.
I also loved all the focus and lead roles the female characters got in this finally. Discovery has been good about this in general but it was really on display here and it was great!
Pity about the admiral dying so pointlessly though.
That was a rejected pitch for an anthology show made by Fuller - there's no evidence to suggest that was the plan for Discovery.
Where's the 'massive reset' here. The Discovery has jumped 930 years into the future; but as we see - Pike and Co. (and the rest of the Federation) are still in existence and nothing has been removed from the timeline and things will progress to the adventures of TOS, TOS, TNG, etc. that we've all seen.
IDK - I want to see all the TNG fans who were crying that:
"Star Trek is always in the future, so there shouldn't be shows in Star Trek's past..."
Because I hate to break it to you all - But "The Picard Show" is now a prequel that 700 years or so in modern Star trek's past.
[In the end, they probably did want to do a show with these characters no constrained by TOS canon. Plus, if you read the Hollywood Reporter interview with Kurtzman RE: The Season 2 finale:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...y-season-2-finale-time-jump-explained-1203166
MU Georgiou is going to return to the 23rd century somehow - as he's stated the Section 31 series WILL take place in that era - so no, they haven't abandoned anything - they just don't want to have multiple Star Trek series all in the same era (and while a 'Pike' series wasn't in the plans, IF they do one, it would probably be after the 'Section 31' series, or will go in/have a very different tone to that series.
But no, I don't think they're 'abandoning anything as nothing was reset. They're all going forward in their own ways.
That would have been worse. Since it would have undid all the character growth for the characters left behind.
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Would be interesting to know what they kept from it and what was chucked though.
SJGardner
It was Ash Tyler who got the Kelpiens and the Klingons involved.
In a free society, like the Federation, it would be revealed over time what happened to the Discovery. It won't be complete - there will be mysteries.
I keep reading people saying the Discovery was sent to Terralysium. In the closed captioning, it is stated the ship will be heading to Doctari Alpha.
How much is left of Section 31? Their station, their ships, and the crews of those ships were destroyed.
It was Ash Tyler who got the Kelpiens and the Klingons involved.
In a free society, like the Federation, it would be revealed over time what happened to the Discovery. It won't be complete - there will be mysteries.
I keep reading people saying the Discovery was sent to Terralysium. In the closed captioning, it is stated the ship will be heading to Doctari Alpha.
How much is left of Section 31? Their station, their ships, and the crews of those ships were destroyed.
My guess they built a corridor they could rotate.
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Actually they could have just come up with some technobabble to explain why the Discovery and Enterprise were exempt from the reset, the presence of the time crystal would do it easily.
What about Amanda and Sarek?
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