• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

Hit it one more time!


  • Total voters
    338
I feared they weren’t going to stick the landing. Sadly my fears were justified. This episode was just a mess.

Nothing really signifies this more than the Kelpians of all races showing up in fighter craft.

Couldn’t Tyler have gone and brought the Federation fleet just as easy as he went and got the Klingons? It was cool to see Klingons actually acting like Klingons though.

Hate that they went with non-disclosure agreements...again.

It sure seemed like Cornwell knew what Pikes fate is. Sad they killed her off too.

So much to love about this season. They just fumbled the last 2-3 episodes.
 
If that's what you think. I think there were a lot of potentially interesting and exciting ways to tell the story of why, for example, the spore drive project appears to have become unviable and abandoned in 10 years' time, but if you'd rather it be quarantined in the distant future while everyone collectively agrees to just not mention it again, sure.



There are suggestions/implications that the writing staff had their hand forced by internet commentators. That's ridiculous, anything the writers include in the show is their own choice. Kurtzman has been talking since the season premiered about how he's interesting in addressing perceived issues regarding canon, there's no reason not to assume that he made that decision personally, without being somehow harangued by fans. That the solution seems to have turned out to be awkward and unsatisfying to many/some is not the fault of random nobodies on YouTube or forums, it's down to the writing staff who came up with that solution.
Ummm...
Especially since all these creative decisions were made LAST YEAR, before any of Season 2 was even shown on TV.
 
Up until the last 3 weeks, I thought it was ridiculous too, and made strong posts to that very point.

Now, I not only think it's possible, but that it's actually highly likely.

:shrug:

What changed your mind? I agree that the lines about the holographic comms and the end of the finale seem very hastily thrown in and give the impression of being there to appease perceived canon violations, but again, I think it's probably something of a stretch to blame that on viewers who've been watching and reacting to the show as it airs.

Even if Kurtzman was spurred on after reading critiques that focused heavily on continuity, when the scripts end up having disappointing aspects, it's surely down to the people writing those scripts. I'm not sure when this season was written, but given how long Mount says it took to film, it must have been more than enough time ago for the writers to come up with more in depth solutions to these questions since they chose to make answering them a priority.
 
Despite the hype that this episode would explain why Discovery was abandoned in that Short Trek episode, it did nothing of the sort...
 
How do they instantaneously know how many dead there are? Are all crew life signs constantly monitored?

Liked when Cornwell told Pike his story wasn't over....though I am probably reading too much into that. :)

Leland's demise seemed too much like the end of a Terminator....just a ton of similarity there.

A lot of the sparking was just too regular and screamed 'this is just an effect'.

Gave the episode a 9, though. :D
 
Hey, good catch. Interestingly, the subtitles simply say, "I'm giving you the conn," but the dialogue absolutely says, "I'm giving you the conn, Una."

So there we have it. Number has a (first) name.

I took it to be “uno”, as in “one” (unless her name is Una, which is why Pike calls her Number “One”, not just cause she’s first officer)
 
(from the Cage)
Number One: Offspring as in he's Adam. Is that it?
Vina: You're no better choice. They'd have more luck crossing him with a computer.

Keeper: Each of the two new specimens has qualities in her favour. The female you call Number One has the superior mind and would produce highly intelligent children. Although she seems to lack emotion, this is largely a pretense.

At least that bizarre theory of Cornwell becoming Lethe was literally blown into space.

I don't see where this indicates that she has super-smarts. Not at all. Compared to Colt, she has the superior mind, which honestly doesn't seem like a huge feat.

Her lack of emotion is a pretense, which means she puts on a professional exterior, not that she is a frigging trained Kolinharu.
 
Those looked like straight nacelle struts to me in the closing bit, bringing the discoprise closer to TOS. Explains the conflicting images from earlier in the year. More Eaglemoss models on the way ;)

Deceptive angles. In the first shot of the Enterprise in drydock, you can see the nacelle struts are still swept back. I always thought one of the reason the swept-back struts were more appealing was they way you could use them to play with perspective.

Up until the last 3 weeks, I thought it was ridiculous too, and made strong posts to that very point.

Now, I not only think it's possible, but that it's actually highly likely.

:shrug:

I'm a bit suspicious that there was originally another reason Leland was lured into the reaction chamber that wasn't "Do the same trick Spock did a few episodes ago, that could've been done anywhere on the ship, at any time," and there may have been a last-minute change from, say, using the spore chamber to teleport him to some distant location in space and time. Perhaps the delta quadrant, a thousand or so years ago.
 
Last edited:
I don't see where this indicates that she has super-smarts. Not at all. Compared to Colt, she has the superior mind, which honestly doesn't seem like a huge feat.

Her lack of emotion is a pretense, which means she puts on a professional exterior, not that she is a frigging trained Kolinharu.
The Keeper outright said Number One would produce "highly intelligent children" in their own right. This wasn't a comparison to Colt.
 
The complaints about "continuity police" and such in this topic are unfair. Yes, some people get hung up on continuity, but when the writers put really dorky lines like "no holograms ever again" and "let's never mention Discovery ever again", I really don't think that's what continuity fans are advocating for.

The guys who've spent the last two years screaming that Disco isn't canonical? Yes, this is the sort of thing they've been advocating. There've been people in this forum demanding that a timey-wimey paradox wipe the Disco from existence so we can return to the pristine continuity of TOS.
 
What changed your mind? I agree that the lines about the holographic comms and the end of the finale seem very hastily thrown in and give the impression of being there to appease perceived canon violations, but again, I think it's probably something of a stretch to blame that on viewers who've been watching and reacting to the show as it airs.

Even if Kurtzman was spurred on after reading critiques that focused heavily on continuity, when the scripts end up having disappointing aspects, it's surely down to the people writing those scripts. I'm not sure when this season was written, but given how long Mount says it took to film, it must have been more than enough time ago for the writers to come up with more in depth solutions to these questions since they chose to make answering them a priority.

What changed my mind? The last 8 minutes of tonight's episode would be a place to start, I suppose. Perhaps the other factor would be that if you made an "Alex Kurtzman Mentions Canon In An Insecure And Awkward Way During An Interview" drinking game, I'd be dead right now from severe alcohol poisoning.

Despite the hype that this episode would explain why Discovery was abandoned in that Short Trek episode, it did nothing of the sort...

If Inane Fan Theory #3,457 counts as hype...sure
 
The Keeper outright said Number One would produce "highly intelligent children" in their own right. This wasn't a comparison to Colt.

I could produce highly intelligent offspring, and not have an intellect compared to Spock's. I doubt it took a super-intellect to produce Albert Einstein. It doesn't work that way.

Sorry, not buying it. :biggrin::beer:
 
Number One was trying to control the ship with a panel that was occasionally short circuiting and while also attempting to avoid the ship being destroyed...,

Having a bunch of verbal calculations being tossed at her over the comm for something she has never attempted before could be just a bit difficult to quickly set in motion.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top