^ It's been confirmed that Winterfell is the site of a massive battle, and that said battle happens in the third episode.
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Agreed. I doubt the entire conflict is finished in one battle. I think the White Walkers will make it to Kings Landing.
Stop lying!!!
I think it is quite possible that the Night King will divide up his force and send some of them south as he know the south does not have any dragons. After all he does have a force of at least 100000.
Of course, this is all dependent on what the Night’s King motivations are.
Of course, this is all dependent on what the Night’s King motivations are.
Dividing the forces is exactly what I've been expecting...or even going around Winterfell altogether and go straight down to King's Landing.
But as you said, depending on what the Night King's motivations are.
I had assumed the young boy climbing to get a better look at the beginning of the episode was a parallel to Bran in the first episode. But in the episode commentary the producers said it was a parallel to Arya in the first episode. They even showed a clip from first episode of Arya climbing a platform to get a better look at the King's arrival. And that is why we see Arya smiling watching the young boy.
When Bran told Sam he was waiting for an old friend, was that a reference to Sam or Jaime?
When Bran told Sam he was waiting for an old friend, was that a reference to Sam or Jaime?
I don't think there is going to be a huge dragon fighting battle scene--but I do think that the two will end up on opposite sides and I don't see her going to the good side anytime before the end of the show.
What good side? Christ didn't die for the sins of anyone on Planetos.
So, yes and no. I get what you're saying, but the other side is that there's this massive fictional world, tons of plots and storylines hanging out there, and a very limited amount of time to get to the end. Plus, people have like a decade wrapped up in watching this, more for people that read the books. I totally get the desire for people to either want more time, or for the show runners to not waste a second on anything that's not going to be part of the payoff.
If there was another season after this, sure, take all the time you need to do all of the combinations of reunions, Sam can read more books, lots more battle prep, whatever. 5 episodes left and a TON to cover, so keep the line moving!
People have been burned by this before, so they want to get a payoff for this. Especially since GRRM can't seem to get moving on writing his own two books to close out the book series. See Lost, for example. massive mystery, they dicked around for too long, and then got to the end and it just sorta stopped. "uh, guess you were all right, Purgatory or whatever. we good?"
So sure, maybe they DO have it plotted out the way they want to, and the last couple episode will just be nonstop plot beats that clean everything up and give us a satisfying ending, but it's more than understandable that people are nervous about the amount of material to cover vs. the time remaining. Sucks to watch the clock while watching the episodes, but totally understand why that's a common feeling. Way too much invested for a big CGI fight and then tossing the crown to whoever is still alive to be a satisfying ending by itself. Tons of threads to play out still.
^I do concur - there is an awful lot to wrap up. I'll also be underwhelmed if they've compressed it down for - as you say - a big CGI fight and then tossing the crown to whoever is still alive. We all know how the time compression sat with fans in season 7. Perhaps it will help having everyone (almost) in the same locale. But if we're left with that nagging feeling of loose, unresolved threads after the series finale, I'd have to ask why the show runners felt the need to rush through the last two seasons. Just had enough and anxious to wrap it up and move on?
I think that the budget for what they wanted to show us just got completely out of control and they could no longer afford to make full seasons.
OK, from a strategic standpoint, it makes more sense if the White walkers (or the majority minus a feint) avoid Jon et al and head straight for King's landing. Jon's forces are prepared and armed for a confrontation with White walkers; Circe is not. That doesn't require prescience, it just requires a bit of logic. Attacking King's Landing first and moving north would cut Jon off from any possible support and supplies.
From a storytelling standpoint, such a situation gives Circe her just desserts. She betrayed and abandoned the Defenders, she would experience the consequence. It also puts Jon in a do or die situation, and it keeps the storyline tight.
From a storytelling standpoint, it is also the best/only opportunity to present the North as the only defense against the White Walkers. If jon defeats them first, we are always left wondering if Circe could have pulled it off on her own.
The White Walkers then head north to confront Jon and his forces. At this point it will end as it ends, as a Tragedy or a Comedy.
Of course the Night King has no idea that Circe is betraying Jon, but it really wouldn't matter, this would still be the strategic first choice.
So, what does that leave to end the story? The Game. Jon, or whomever is left, has to leave a legacy that prevents the same from reoccuring. Or at least an attempt.
From a storytelling standpoint, such a situation gives Circe her just desserts. She betrayed and abandoned the Defenders, she would experience the consequence. It also puts Jon in a do or die situation, and it keeps the storyline tight.
From a storytelling standpoint, it is also the best/only opportunity to present the North as the only defense against the White Walkers. If jon defeats them first, we are always left wondering if Circe could have pulled it off on her own.
The White Walkers then head north to confront Jon and his forces. At this point it will end as it ends, as a Tragedy or a Comedy.
Of course the Night King has no idea that Circe is betraying Jon, but it really wouldn't matter, this would still be the strategic first choice.
So, what does that leave to end the story? The Game. Jon, or whomever is left, has to leave a legacy that prevents the same from reoccuring. Or at least an attempt.
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That would slightly undermine the elephants subplot?
*Cersei. She's the bitch, not the witch.
David and Dan aren't "rushing through" anything, because the plan from the very beginning was to create a 73-episode narrative experience, and that's exactly what they've done.
Proof?
Really? When they were making 10 episodes in season 1, they decided 73 was a logical number to wrap on? 
I’ll concede that they knew they would only have 13 more before they started last season, but can’t pretend it was a straight line from 1-73 from the start. If they were told to do 10 episodes per, there’d be 80 without a doubt.
I’ll concede that they knew they would only have 13 more before they started last season, but can’t pretend it was a straight line from 1-73 from the start. If they were told to do 10 episodes per, there’d be 80 without a doubt.
Really? When they were making 10 episodes in season 1, they decided 73 was a logical number to wrap on?
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