Forevermore, we shall say a character got Lorca'd (or Lorqued) if they turn out to be secretly from an alternative universe.Yep, this poll probably would be close to 50/50 if it wasn't for what the writers did to Lorca
Poll Pike vs Lorca
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I think Anson Mount is a heck of an actor. Started watching Hell on Wheels solely based on his performance in Discovery. But I think Lorca is the more interesting character, even with the Mirror universe twist. Pike has just felt like a fan service vehicle more than a fleshed out character. Good performance, but I don't feel there's much more there than what was there to begin with.
Exactly why I voted Pike.
I didn't find Lorca some model of originality, deep and angsty. He was as much a stock type as Pike, and I found him unappealing even before the Mirror twist.
Yep. And in this cynical world of ours I find such unapologetic wholesomeness really refreshing.
Indeed. I never agreed with the people who though that Lorca could have been a cool hero, however, he could have been an awesome antagonist. I would have really loved 'the hard man making hard choices' trope being deconstructed. Alas, it was not to be.
Pike.
But....
But....
I don't have a dog in this fight. My vote goes to Captain Georgiou.
I grieve with thee.Pike.
But....
Not everybody wants to be Iron Man! Actually he was most annoying MCU character to me before Infinity War, while Captain America was (and is) the best ever.
(The first Pike's briefing in Brother is very similar to Rogers' briefing in Avengers, especially "Detmer, fly good" / "Hulk, smash them". A working team that does good, as you say. It's... fascinating
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Uh, yeah. I haven't watched any MCU movies, so I have no idea what you're talking about.Not everybody wants to be Iron Man! Actually he was most annoying MCU character to me before Infinity War, while Captain America was (and is) the best ever.
(The first Pike's briefing in Brother is very similar to Rogers' briefing in Avengers, especially "Detmer, fly good" / "Hulk, smash them". A working team that does good, as you say. It's... fascinating
Lorca is a very interesting character, charismatic, poetic, non-standard ST captain. He saved season 1 to me. I like him despite of final twist, because it made him interesting by another way: he's a mirror character who lives and serves in Prime Universe, and fights violently to protect Federation and its valuables. Nobody unmasked him. I wonder what kind of man is Prime Lorca?
But I don't want to rewatch season 1. Maybe later.
Pike is standard... but sky high standard. He's not just another series character to me, he is a friend, he is a mentor, he is a role model, he is a living person. Don't understand how it works, but I give up one old bad habit thanks to him
. And thanks to him I am here and try to improve my non-native English to speak with a community. Definitely I vote for Pike.
But I don't want to rewatch season 1. Maybe later.
Pike is standard... but sky high standard. He's not just another series character to me, he is a friend, he is a mentor, he is a role model, he is a living person. Don't understand how it works, but I give up one old bad habit thanks to him
. And thanks to him I am here and try to improve my non-native English to speak with a community. Definitely I vote for Pike.
You're doing great! One minor thing: you probably mean "values" instead of "valuables." But people fight for both all the time!Lorca is a very interesting character, charismatic, poetic, non-standard ST captain. He saved season 1 to me. I like him despite of final twist, because it made him interesting by another way: he's a mirror character who lives and serves in Prime Universe, and fights violently to protect Federation and its valuables. Nobody unmasked him. I wonder what kind of man is Prime Lorca?
But I don't want to rewatch season 1. Maybe later.
Pike is standard... but sky high standard. He's not just another series character to me, he is a friend, he is a mentor, he is a role model, he is a living person. Don't understand how it works, but I give up one old bad habit thanks to him
from 1:50 to 2:30Uh, yeah. I haven't watched any MCU movies, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Thank youYou're doing great! One minor thing: you probably mean "values" instead of "valuables." But people fight for both all the time!
. Values, of course.
Pike because he’s the better man. Lorca was an interesting character though.
I knew we'd get this poll eventually and I knew who would win.
And I agree that it might have been closer to a tie if Lorca had actually been a war-torn captain instead of what we got. Both were interesting in their own way.
That said, I went with Pike. He'll be hard to top.
And I agree that it might have been closer to a tie if Lorca had actually been a war-torn captain instead of what we got. Both were interesting in their own way.
That said, I went with Pike. He'll be hard to top.
Jason Isaacs votes for Pike:
https://twitter.com/jasonsfolly/status/1090574395326820352
https://twitter.com/jasonsfolly/status/1090574395326820352
Voted Lorca. I think he had a lot of potential, and as much as some people decry the “hard man making hard choices” arc, there’s something interesting about the concept of seeing that in Star Trek - the question on my mind before the reveal was, “how does a man like Lorca go back to being a Starfleet Captain?” But the reveal massively soured the whole thing for me. Still, I loved the character, and find him more interesting than Pike. Which isn’t to say that Pike isn’t interesting, and I’d follow a series of Pike on the Enterprise with absolute glee, but Lorca was far more interesting.
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