Poll Pike vs Lorca

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by ITDUDE, Apr 15, 2019.

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Who was better (you define what "better" means to you)?

  1. Pike

    81 vote(s)
    86.2%
  2. Lorca

    13 vote(s)
    13.8%
  1. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Forevermore, we shall say a character got Lorca'd (or Lorqued) if they turn out to be secretly from an alternative universe.
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    I think Anson Mount is a heck of an actor. Started watching Hell on Wheels solely based on his performance in Discovery. But I think Lorca is the more interesting character, even with the Mirror universe twist. Pike has just felt like a fan service vehicle more than a fleshed out character. Good performance, but I don't feel there's much more there than what was there to begin with.
     
  3. jfordny

    jfordny Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Exactly why I voted Pike.

    I didn't find Lorca some model of originality, deep and angsty. He was as much a stock type as Pike, and I found him unappealing even before the Mirror twist.
     
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  4. Longinus

    Longinus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yep. And in this cynical world of ours I find such unapologetic wholesomeness really refreshing.

    Indeed. I never agreed with the people who though that Lorca could have been a cool hero, however, he could have been an awesome antagonist. I would have really loved 'the hard man making hard choices' trope being deconstructed. Alas, it was not to be.
     
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  5. TrickyDickie

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  6. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I don't have a dog in this fight. My vote goes to Captain Georgiou.
     
  7. SolarisOne

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    I grieve with thee.
     
  8. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

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    If I was one of these captains, I would rather be Lorca (sans MU stuff). But if I wasn't the captain, I would rather serve under Pike than Lorca.

    Kor
     
  9. SolarisOne

    SolarisOne Captain Captain

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    Everyone wants to be the badass. No one wants to be around the badass. :techman:
     
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  10. Rainard Fox

    Rainard Fox Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Not everybody wants to be Iron Man! Actually he was most annoying MCU character to me before Infinity War, while Captain America was (and is) the best ever.
    (The first Pike's briefing in Brother is very similar to Rogers' briefing in Avengers, especially "Detmer, fly good" / "Hulk, smash them". A working team that does good, as you say. It's... fascinating :luvlove:)
     
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  11. SolarisOne

    SolarisOne Captain Captain

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    Uh, yeah. I haven't watched any MCU movies, so I have no idea what you're talking about. :shrug:
     
  12. Rainard Fox

    Rainard Fox Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Lorca is a very interesting character, charismatic, poetic, non-standard ST captain. He saved season 1 to me. I like him despite of final twist, because it made him interesting by another way: he's a mirror character who lives and serves in Prime Universe, and fights violently to protect Federation and its valuables. Nobody unmasked him. I wonder what kind of man is Prime Lorca?
    But I don't want to rewatch season 1. Maybe later.

    Pike is standard... but sky high standard. He's not just another series character to me, he is a friend, he is a mentor, he is a role model, he is a living person. Don't understand how it works, but I give up one old bad habit thanks to him :lol:. And thanks to him I am here and try to improve my non-native English to speak with a community. Definitely I vote for Pike.
     
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  13. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    You're doing great! One minor thing: you probably mean "values" instead of "valuables." But people fight for both all the time! :techman:
     
  14. Rainard Fox

    Rainard Fox Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    from 1:50 to 2:30
     
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  15. Rainard Fox

    Rainard Fox Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Thank you :adore:. Values, of course.
     
  16. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Verified Disney Princess Moderator

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    Pike because he’s the better man. Lorca was an interesting character though.
     
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  17. Cyrus

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    They were both great. Lorca was a more intriguing character. If they hadn't done the MU crap twist on him I would have voted for Lorca, but since they did Pike got my vote.
     
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  18. Commander Richard

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    I knew we'd get this poll eventually and I knew who would win.

    And I agree that it might have been closer to a tie if Lorca had actually been a war-torn captain instead of what we got. Both were interesting in their own way.

    That said, I went with Pike. He'll be hard to top.
     
  19. Cyrus

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  20. Captain Jed R.

    Captain Jed R. Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Voted Lorca. I think he had a lot of potential, and as much as some people decry the “hard man making hard choices” arc, there’s something interesting about the concept of seeing that in Star Trek - the question on my mind before the reveal was, “how does a man like Lorca go back to being a Starfleet Captain?” But the reveal massively soured the whole thing for me. Still, I loved the character, and find him more interesting than Pike. Which isn’t to say that Pike isn’t interesting, and I’d follow a series of Pike on the Enterprise with absolute glee, but Lorca was far more interesting.
     
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