Poll Pike vs Lorca

[BillJ]

Not inherently no, but when what you've committed yourself to is the Rights & Dignity of Sapient Beings (not to mention the establishment & perpetuation of same) it's hard to imagine someone losing Faith in that without taking a nosedive into a very black hole indeed.

I don't know? I imagine, at least to a degree, that this is what Picard is going to be about. He's lost his faith in an organization that he has served his whole life.

...without cheering for nasty characters in fiction.

I think it allows people in real life to vent without picking up a gun and either putting it in their mouth or going on a killing spree.

 

[Saul]

Better? Lorca. Interesting as hell. At first seemed like a man with PTSD but in other ways a total bad ass. The kinda Captain that starfleet loves to turn their blind eye to because he got things done. Then we discover he's a mirror Universe guy! One of the best Villains in Star Trek in years and years.

Captain Pike, nice, honorable and stuff. Yeah. I'd rather hit some bars with Lorca.

 

[fireproof78]

hat's a perfectly fair point and I agree with it, but that doesn't mean I want to spend more than one Season with Captain Queeg at the helm; there's a reason these characters tend to be Villains, after all (and after all, don't we have quite enough fiction exploring Human Weakness or worse than mere weakness already?).

We have some fiction exploring the weaknesses. What I like about Star Trek is that is has an optimistic view of humanity and that those weaknesses can be explored without being a condemnation. Star Trek doesn't have to be black and white moralizing, though it has done that too. But, it can also offer up our weaknesses for exploration because we humans are capable of great good as well as great evil. The Mirror Universe was one way, but we don't need that lengths to explore humanity's darker side.

 

[Noname Given]

So in other words a Starfleet officer who doesn't act like a Starfleet officer? That seems a trifle counter-intuitive ... and more to the point I'm completely sick of 'Heroes' of the "Well it's a big, mean, bad Galaxy so let's make it that little bit WORSE just to get by" stripe; quite frankly we have enough Villain Protagonists in Real Life without having to endure them in our Fiction (and they seem especially inappropriate to STAR TREK, which - bless it - has done its best to emphasise the Best in Humanity, rather than the Worst).

No a 23rd centrury Starfleet officer that acts like a lot of other 23rd century Starfleet officers. (IE - Free of the 'Utopian' retcon of the Federation and Starfleet that was imposed by the TNG era.)

 

[corndog]

Pike, but only by a hair.

 

[Dryson]

Could the reason that Captain Lorca is so evil is because of the temporal rift that he went through in the Mirror Universe? Lorca is most likely alive in the Mirror Universe as we haven't seen any side effects in the time line that would suggest he has been killed or died in the Mirror Universe.

 

[Alan Roi]

Pike, but only by a hair.

Pike's hair is hard to beat.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't have a dog in this fight. My vote goes to Captain Georgiou.

My position on this still stands. Captain Georgiou is my favorite one of the Captains we've had so far. But now that the dust has settled and I've had time to think about it: between just Lorca and Pike, I'll go with Pike.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Could the reason that Captain Lorca is so evil is because of the temporal rift that he went through in the Mirror Universe? Lorca is most likely alive in the Mirror Universe as we haven't seen any side effects in the time line that would suggest he has been killed or died in the Mirror Universe.

With Discovery lost in the far future, fingers crossed we meet Lorca Prime in the Section 31 series.