Spoilers DSC Starships and Technology - Season Two Thread
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I'm just this side of face-blind, but looking at the photo on Nicole Dickinson's IMDB page, new!Colt seems to be José Tyler's replacement at navigation. Gold tunic, one thick stripe, so I guess she made lieutenant. Also her hair and complexion are completely different. Given the actress is a regular stunt double and background player on DSC, I'm guessing that when they needed to credit her because she had some lines they picked a name from "The Cage," rather than they cast a new Colt from scratch to give her a completely different job and appearance. Coincidentally, Dickinson does have a bit of a resemblance to the woman operating the station with the printer in "The Cage."
And another thing about the bridges, is there really any need to have FOUR of them? Granted we don’t know just how much material they actually transferred over, but no one seemed to be trucking huge cargo pods the likes of which we’ve seen in the cargo bay. Indeed, short of one Engineering pod being pushed around, pretty much except very one seemed to be limiting themselves to personal items.
Point being, that assuming that Discovery had around 200 crew per Airiam’s funeral, basically ALL of them could have trotted across a single bridge in the time it would have taken Pike and Saru to set the auto-destruct and walk calmly across later. There’s lots to complain about the actual placement of four bridges across two decks between two very different starship designs, but even in a mass evacuation scenario, does one need four at all?
Mark
Point being, that assuming that Discovery had around 200 crew per Airiam’s funeral, basically ALL of them could have trotted across a single bridge in the time it would have taken Pike and Saru to set the auto-destruct and walk calmly across later. There’s lots to complain about the actual placement of four bridges across two decks between two very different starship designs, but even in a mass evacuation scenario, does one need four at all?
Mark
Thank you!
Seems there's only one item about the four-nacelled S31 ship that isn't classified, besides torpedo range: "Something CLASSIFICATION", which appears to read "Something SomethUISER", apparently a type of cruiser.
Also, the final "They have formed a ring around us!" diagram only seems to show two designs after all - the rest is perspective and angle stuff. Alas.
Timo Saloniemi
Mark: I also note that personnel and cargo transporters could account for some - perhaps most - of the heavier loads to be transferred. But there may be something in SFRA regulations requiring the multiple redundancies in the docking tunnel arrangements.
(Wishing that they would mention SFRA in spoken dialogue once or twice...)
(Wishing that they would mention SFRA in spoken dialogue once or twice...)
They'd end up sounding like Rimmer and Kryten going back and forth about Space Corps Directives. Leave that shit to the ST: JAG spinoff that happened in Slightly Opaque Paper Universe after The Measure Of A Man.
Funny how all the windows in the neck appear to be corridor windows, as per the extensive CGI showing people walking there... So any gaps in window rows can be assumed to be there for a pressing reason, one of these being the emergency gangways.
Funnier still how Spock during the evacuation is ushered away from a window (the dead end with the one window that's used as backdrop for all dramatic moments) into a corridor that has no windows in order to get to the evac tubes. Even though the window shows a view of the secondary hull of the Enterprise and therefore has to be in the neck. Or is it supposed to be on the edge of the saucer, despite the lack of curvature in the corridor, and the odd perspective?
I guess we have to plead the latter. The secondary hull supposedly has lots of rectangular corridor "blocks" that are actually placed at roughly 45 degree angles to ship centerline, as per the S1 Jeffries Tube chart or the apparent angled placement of Engineering; perhaps there's some of that in the saucer, too?
The shots of the two ships flying side by side, and of the shuttles swarming, all reinforce my hobby-horse idea of the Discovery as a former shuttlecarrier hastily filled with science stuff for the needs of Burnham's War. Or at least the secondary hull could be from a carrier, with a science ring-saucer added... Is the giant square at the front of the neck a carrier feature, too, with corridors flanking a huge central cavity? So much detail... And still no torpedo tubes. Although lots of evidence for seamless hatches that can conceal just about anything, of course.
Timo Saloniemi
Funnier still how Spock during the evacuation is ushered away from a window (the dead end with the one window that's used as backdrop for all dramatic moments) into a corridor that has no windows in order to get to the evac tubes. Even though the window shows a view of the secondary hull of the Enterprise and therefore has to be in the neck. Or is it supposed to be on the edge of the saucer, despite the lack of curvature in the corridor, and the odd perspective?
I guess we have to plead the latter. The secondary hull supposedly has lots of rectangular corridor "blocks" that are actually placed at roughly 45 degree angles to ship centerline, as per the S1 Jeffries Tube chart or the apparent angled placement of Engineering; perhaps there's some of that in the saucer, too?
The shots of the two ships flying side by side, and of the shuttles swarming, all reinforce my hobby-horse idea of the Discovery as a former shuttlecarrier hastily filled with science stuff for the needs of Burnham's War. Or at least the secondary hull could be from a carrier, with a science ring-saucer added... Is the giant square at the front of the neck a carrier feature, too, with corridors flanking a huge central cavity? So much detail... And still no torpedo tubes. Although lots of evidence for seamless hatches that can conceal just about anything, of course.
Timo Saloniemi
The goldshirt is Lt. Amin, played by Samora Smallwood per the credits (and it looks like her too) and referred to as Amin by Pike onscreen.
There are 5 women seen in Enterprise uniforms on the bridge:
- Amin (goldshirt)
- Mann (redshirt), light brown hair next to the bald science officer
- Number One
- An African-American woman in a blueshirt
-And finally, a redshirt next to Lt. Nicola (he's the male communications officer, per credits... confusing choice of name, granted). That redshirt is probably Colt. I can't get a good look at her, ATM, to confirm that she's Dickinson. There's one okay image of her as Pike enters the bridge, that confirms she's light-skinned and dark-haired at least.
If it isn't Dickinson, then "Colt" might not be on the bridge (in that opening scene). She could be in one of the corridor scenes, a later scene, or maybe her scene got cut.
That she's a stunt double, implies to me that they just credited her out of courtesy and she's just a N.D. redshirt who may or may not have made it into the final cut. The fact that one of the crew is also credited as "Lt. Nicola" tells me that there might be something screwy going on with the credits or script (although Nicola gets lines). Maybe they flipped who said what, and Dickinson as Colt was originally supposed to deliver those lines.
It could be as simple as Dickinson earning the credit somehow and asking for a classic character name. There were probably more scenes filmed on the Enterprise bridge that were cut for time.
And, of course, there's another episode coming up that will give us more glimpses at these characters.
Doesn't Pike specifically call her "Lieutenant Amin", though?
Given how he's supposed to be a pro at this names-and-kids-and-hobbies-of-subordinates thing, I guess we better agree with Memory Alpha there: the navigator in gold is played by Samora Smallwood, while Dickinson's Colt is... Somebody else.
Edit: ninja'ed... by 12 minutes. What happened? I didn't type that long, even though I am using a clumsy interface today.
Timo Saloniemi
So the Crossfield class could b a kitbashed ship, with Science lab saucer and shuttle carrier secondary hull?
Might have been, although she's credited as "Lt Mann".
She could be pretty much anything, including a brand new ship - but that's how the fan/backstage aspect of this comes together: the triangle-hulled ships have been shuttlecarriers ever since Todd Guenther and aridas sofia, and ring saucers are a science ship thing in the artwork of John Eaves.
It would be fun to think that NCC-1031 is actually related to NCC-1017, and the old fan assumption was that NCC-1017 used to look different originally, until either the primary or the secondary hull got swapped and we got the "Doomsday Machine" version. I'm thinking they swapped the secondary, which used to look like this, while in NCC-1031 they instead swapped the primary, but not before applying some vanity covers over the secondary... (Or at least that's how they'd get the shorter version of the "McQuarrie ships", while the Crossfields might have been the longer version originally.)
A lot about NCC-1031 is still unknown in a way nothing about, say, NCC-1701-D ever was. Several surface features await explanation, and it's not as if we're about to get a tech manual or anything. So, cue in fan theories. Much as with NCC-1017, or indeed the original NCC-1701.
Timo Saloniemi
She could be pretty much anything, including a brand new ship - but that's how the fan/backstage aspect of this comes together: the triangle-hulled ships have been shuttlecarriers ever since Todd Guenther and aridas sofia, and ring saucers are a science ship thing in the artwork of John Eaves.
It would be fun to think that NCC-1031 is actually related to NCC-1017, and the old fan assumption was that NCC-1017 used to look different originally, until either the primary or the secondary hull got swapped and we got the "Doomsday Machine" version. I'm thinking they swapped the secondary, which used to look like this, while in NCC-1031 they instead swapped the primary, but not before applying some vanity covers over the secondary... (Or at least that's how they'd get the shorter version of the "McQuarrie ships", while the Crossfields might have been the longer version originally.)
A lot about NCC-1031 is still unknown in a way nothing about, say, NCC-1701-D ever was. Several surface features await explanation, and it's not as if we're about to get a tech manual or anything. So, cue in fan theories. Much as with NCC-1017, or indeed the original NCC-1701.
Timo Saloniemi
I am now thinking that the Constitution class may in fact be older than we've come to believe across the decades. Decker's Constellation (NCC-1017) as well as the Eagle (NCC-956) from the "Operation Retrieve" charts in ST VI are both shown as Constitutions. I now suspect that NCC-1701 is part of a later production batch.
You can review my thinking here:
https://dewline.dreamwidth.org/1229052.html
You can review my thinking here:
https://dewline.dreamwidth.org/1229052.html
I guess it would help if we knew how old the "old" Shenzhou was. The boxy nacelles of 2250s Starfleet could be a fairly recent fleetwide refit, allowing the ships in the 1000-1600 range to span, say, six decades or more, in a neatly chronological fashion if need be. But Georgiou's ship was famed for not having gotten much in the way of refits - perhaps her nacelles were original, too? That would set an upper limit on when the round ENT/TOS nacelles would last have been fashionable.
It's nice in retrospect that all the "new" TAS ships were second-rate things, transports and drones and whatnot, and their cylinder engines might well have been from the previous century or from less forward-thinking suppliers even if the fighting and exploring fleet at the time was all boxy...
DSC is a good forum for doing some long-awaited mixing. We finally have a broad combination of ship designs from the 1960s, 1970s and 2010s there (although TNG and DS9 already did a bit of 1980s/1990s mixing), with control interfaces from 1960s and 2010s merrily coexisting. In-universe, we may well be seeing different decades side by side, too. But none of it is fully explicit yet - nobody has stated onscreen the era from which the cylinder nacelles or the lateral vector transporters or the jelly button interfaces would hail, or the day these became outdated, or the exact selection of gear that is brand new for the 2250s. And perhaps that's for the best. But I hope DSC won't be limited to showing "DSC era" stuff.
Although if the big time jump does happen, that wish becomes academic. And then I'll declare myself happy with what we got in S1-2.
Timo Saloniemi
It's nice in retrospect that all the "new" TAS ships were second-rate things, transports and drones and whatnot, and their cylinder engines might well have been from the previous century or from less forward-thinking suppliers even if the fighting and exploring fleet at the time was all boxy...
DSC is a good forum for doing some long-awaited mixing. We finally have a broad combination of ship designs from the 1960s, 1970s and 2010s there (although TNG and DS9 already did a bit of 1980s/1990s mixing), with control interfaces from 1960s and 2010s merrily coexisting. In-universe, we may well be seeing different decades side by side, too. But none of it is fully explicit yet - nobody has stated onscreen the era from which the cylinder nacelles or the lateral vector transporters or the jelly button interfaces would hail, or the day these became outdated, or the exact selection of gear that is brand new for the 2250s. And perhaps that's for the best. But I hope DSC won't be limited to showing "DSC era" stuff.
Although if the big time jump does happen, that wish becomes academic. And then I'll declare myself happy with what we got in S1-2.
Timo Saloniemi
Umm, what? Wavelength has the dimension of distance, unless one uses a convenience metric of some sort that is specifically designed to omit that dimension. It still doesn't make much sense to say that meters or yards have a speed, of course...
Then again, there's nothing unclear about what Tilly is meaning with her oddly chosen words: energy being pumped in at a certain wavelength will be pumped in more quickly if the holes are made less obstructive to that wavelength. Which as such makes sense, even if we don't know the specifics of what she means by hole size exactly, or what sort of a wavelength for what type of radiatively transmitted power is being discussed. There are many circumstances where wavelength or frequency is a key parameter in transmissivity through a substance or other obstacle.
Timo Saloniemi
Then again, there's nothing unclear about what Tilly is meaning with her oddly chosen words: energy being pumped in at a certain wavelength will be pumped in more quickly if the holes are made less obstructive to that wavelength. Which as such makes sense, even if we don't know the specifics of what she means by hole size exactly, or what sort of a wavelength for what type of radiatively transmitted power is being discussed. There are many circumstances where wavelength or frequency is a key parameter in transmissivity through a substance or other obstacle.
Timo Saloniemi
Fantastic link.
https://dsc.star-trek.info/thumbnails.php?album=36&page=63
Looks like ~3.5m deck heights, confirming the ~750m length of the ship again. That requires a Discoprise upscale at least roughly consistent with the 442m figure.
Those hallways are strangely inconsistent with all the hallways we've seen internally in DSC. Not that that's a problem, just kind of odd.
All the other interior / exteriors we've seen have at least an approximate visual match to sets we've seen. Again, not a problem, just noteworthy.
All the other interior / exteriors we've seen have at least an approximate visual match to sets we've seen. Again, not a problem, just noteworthy.
FYI, the graphic containing the Eagle shows many other ships, all with Constitution silhouettes. It’s unknown whether the silhouettes were supposed to be the actual ship class or if they were just generic silhouettes. I find it odd that there wasn’t a single different class other than the Constitution for ships in that sector (the Excelsior accepted).
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