Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Teaser Trailer

[JD]

They also are still printing the Legends books and comics, but they're all still non-canon.

I have felt the trilogy has sort of played fast and loose over what it's all about. After the first 3 movies you think it's all about Luke. Then you watch the prequels and then you kind of think the whole thing is about Vadar or the Skywalkers but then the new movies come along and Rey isn't a Skywalker so then you begin to wonder what is the point of her character being the lead if this is all about the Skywalkers.

Maybe these films should have been about Luke on one final arc. Maybe Emperior has risen and the galaxy is in danger or something and he stops it. Everyone dies in the end or gets closer in some fashion. Rey who is in the movies takes up the mantle and her story is then told in the next trilogy. I mean if people like Rey and the new characters then it also makes no sense to me to limit them to just 3 movies but if you bring them back for new movies right now then it's just extending the original trilogy. I mean is this going to be the last people see of Rey and the others? If these movie makes money and it will then I doubt Disney is going to not use these characters again which would be better if they were already connected to own trilogy instead of the old one.

Jason

I actually like the way they have three trilogies have played out, with each one focusing on new characters, with surviving characters from the first and second trilogies then going on to play supporting roles in the second and third trilogies.
Apparently Skywalker being the name of the new group Rey starts is the popular theory all around the internet.
One other theory I saw on IGN that hadn't occurred to me, is that the reason we never learned anything about Snoke's past is because he was actually a host body for Palpatine's consciousness.

 

[DigificWriter]

Apparently Skywalker being the name of the new group Rey starts is the popular theory all around the internet

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it makes sense... which it doesn't. It's a convoluted explanation for something that actually has a simple answer that is already 'seeded' (albeit to date unexplored) within SW lore.

 

[Ithekro]

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it makes sense... which it doesn't. It's a convoluted explanation for something that actually has a simple answer that is already 'seeded' (albeit to date unexplored) within SW lore.

Which you've brought up twice now without explanation. If its so obvious to you, please elaborate. Because to majority seem to be missing something.

 

[DigificWriter]

Which you've brought up twice now without explanation. If its so obvious to you, please elaborate. Because to majority seem to be missing something.

I actually have explained things in regards to the theory about how "The Rise of Skywalker" title can refer to Rey without contradicting TFA and TLJ, but I'll do it again.

The name "Skywalker" is paternal in nature, and was inherited by Shmi through birth. However, absolutely nothing about her life prior to when we meet her in The Phantom Menace has ever been revealed other than a tiny throw-away mention of the fact that she and Anakin were brought to Tatooine from somewhere else when Anakin was about 3 years old.

The fact that we know absolutely nothing about Shmi's backstory provides the perfect - and relatively simple - avenue for Rey to possibly be of the Skywalker family line - through a male sibling of Shmi's - without being directly related to Leia and Luke through Anakin's family line while also honoring what was established in TFA and TLJ.

 

[JD]

I really, really hope that isn't true. If it came down to it referring to a person I would much rather it be a redeemed Ben than Rey.

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it makes sense... which it doesn't. It's a convoluted explanation for something that actually has a simple answer that is already 'seeded' (albeit to date unexplored) within SW lore.

I think it makes perfect sense.

 

[DigificWriter]

I really, really hope that isn't true. If it came down to it referring to a person I would much rather it be a redeemed Ben than Rey.

Ben's not the protagonist of the Sequel Trilogy; Rey is.

I think it makes perfect sense.

If the Episodic films weren't the "Skywalker Saga" and "The Rise of Skywalker" didn't have to completely tie together 8 previous films, Rey naming a new "order" after the Skywalkers might make sense, but it adds another unnecessary layer to a film that already has enough layers to it in terms of what it needs to accomplish (on top of it needing to work as a standalone film on its own).

 

[Ithekro]

I was thinking you has some other theory rather than that one. Oh well.

 

[Campe]

I really find the Rey-as-descendant-of-Shmi’s-sibling idea to be far more convoluted, tedious and obnoxious as the idea of either Ben Solo being the hero of the saga or the word Skywalker becoming a symbol or a title.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I don’t see why Rey needs Skywalker blood when it doesn’t make her a more compelling character than she already is.

 

[Campe]

Perhaps the answer might actually be at the end of TLJ. The Rise of Skywalker might just be as simple as the symbol of Luke’s actions at the end of that episode reaching the status of legend. Maybe the one thing that isn’t told about The Battle of Crait is that Luke died. The only people who really knew that were Rey and Leia. Perhaps they new Rebellion is using his visage as a symbol to unite the disenfranchised against the First Order.

 

[Reverend]

I tend to agree naming the new order after the Skywalkers seems like to perfect way to end the saga. The Jedi are gone. Time for something new.

If nothing else it's also about a million times more appealing than Rey being a Skywalker...somehow.

 

[Campe]

If nothing else it's also about a million times more appealing than Rey being a Skywalker...somehow.

Making Rey a Skywalker at this point would be boring, lazy and would make the galaxy even smaller. It would require a lot of backpedaling and exposition on the past two movies that like making Snoke Plagueis would have taken many out of the movie. Not only that, but it would also completely defeat one message of the sequel trilogy which suggests that anyone can be special. You don’t have to have a familial connection to be so.

 

[saddestmoon]

Spoiler

I thought Endor was the name of the moon, i.e. "the forest moon of Endor" was just a fancy way of introducing it. Why would moon (presumable Earth-sized) be the same size as its neighboring planet? They both seem to have the same surface gravity...

Spoiler

Endor is specifically a moon, which generally suggests it orbits a larger planetary body - which is what I thought the death-star wreckage could be on.

Reading the SW Wiki site, it posits that Endor is a gas giant, so based on that, I'd now rule out my suggestion of it being Endor the planet. The forest moon could be one of many however, so perhaps the DS ruin lies on another nearby moon, within the system (apparently, there are 9 moons in the system, according to SW Fandom (not sure about their sources on this being reliable...):

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Endor_(planet)/Legends

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I really find the Rey-as-descendant-of-Shmi’s-sibling idea to be far more convoluted, tedious and obnoxious as the idea of either Ben Solo being the hero of the saga or the word Skywalker becoming a symbol or a title.

I agree completely.

Paraphrasing myself from another thread:

I kinda doubt that Abrams is reneging on the idea of Rey having humble origins, but at this point it could go either way. The part about 1,000 generations living in Rey makes me lean toward him not reneging. Perhaps it is about adopting the heroic mantle or channeling the spiritual experience of all who live in her to fight her battles. Maybe it is about the origin of Anakin, even.​

The fact that the Emperor is a part of this story makes me strongly suspect that the origin of Anakin is an element of the story. I wouldn't be surprised if Hayden Christensen makes a surprise appearance either as a disembodied voice with audible plot-relevant dialog or as a full-fledged Force ghost.

Perhaps part of being a Skywalker and worthy of the name is to take ownership of one's destiny and be the hero in spite of circumstances.

If Anakin really was conceived as part of a Sith plan to defeat the Jedi, then Anakin broke free of it when he saved Luke. Luke broke free of the Emperor's plan when he came in with the Rebel commandos to the Forest Moon before the Emperor assumed he would from what he had foreseen. Rey's test could be to stand against Sidious despite her humble origins, born of nobodies with bad character. Or, yes, it could be about Ben following in Anakin's footsteps to the completion of his arc, when he finally breaks free of his presumed destiny as an agent of evil and... becomes the hero in spite of circumstances.

In any case, there are all sorts of options for what the title might mean that are far more satisfactory that shoehorning Rey into the Skywalker family tree.

 

[Reverend]

I'd also like to add that I'm really not a fan of the idea that Kylo/Ben will be redeemed. Anakin fell and became what he became largely because of circumstances and forces beyond his awareness or control. He still made a conscious choice of course and is 100% responsible for those consequences, but the point is that his redemption works precisely because he *was* a good person and at his core, always was.

Ben on the other hand is a spiteful little gogshite and I suspect, probably always was. There's no "return to grace" for someone that never had grace to begin with.

 

[Booji]

I actually have explained things in regards to the theory about how "The Rise of Skywalker" title can refer to Rey without contradicting TFA and TLJ, but I'll do it again.

The name "Skywalker" is paternal in nature, and was inherited by Shmi through birth. However, absolutely nothing about her life prior to when we meet her in The Phantom Menace has ever been revealed other than a tiny throw-away mention of the fact that she and Anakin were brought to Tatooine from somewhere else when Anakin was about 3 years old.

The fact that we know absolutely nothing about Shmi's backstory provides the perfect - and relatively simple - avenue for Rey to possibly be of the Skywalker family line - through a male sibling of Shmi's - without being directly related to Leia and Luke through Anakin's family line while also honoring what was established in TFA and TLJ.

Talk about convoluted...

 

[DarKush]

When terms such as "trolling" are used it comes across as a diatribe. It comes across as very much assuming maliciousness on the part of Johnson in his efforts to make this film. That's what stood out to me. And, I'll admit, that assuming delight by Johnson and Disney in frustrating old fans strikes me as intensely petty.

No, it isn't above critique. But, it goes to my larger point that Johnson isn't just some rogue director who just acted out. There is BTS details that showcases the energy put in by the story group and production team to craft what they wanted.

I feel like the ST portrayals are more realistic than the books. Dour, perhaps, but realistic given their struggles. I don't know. It just hits me where I live.

You could ask the same questions of the Emperor and Tarkin. I mean what did we know about them? What were their motivations?

For me, Hux is one who hates the Republic, and what it represents. Snoke hates the Jedi and fears their return. Seems relatively straight forward .

Then this will be agree to disagree moment.

When it comes to the Emperor and Tarkin, it's not a fair question in the sense that the sequels are coming after six other films where at least the Emperor's motivation was fleshed out in the prequels. And the idea of explaining villain motivations is something not above expecting, especially when it comes to the seventh film in a franchise, a franchise that has an amazing amount of novels, comics, cartoons, and video games where they can do that kind of world building as well. Not many franchises have that at their disposal. The idea that we are supposed to just pretend that TFA is on the same level as ANH makes little sense to me. TFA is part of an expanding saga and it proposed questions that it was reasonable to assume would be answered. ANH just burst on the scene, without much mythology behind it, and so the audience didn't know what to expect and could just enjoy it on a pure movie/FX/storytelling level. Is it wrong to expect that TFA, or the other sequel films, would not build on the rich mythology established by the other six films, plus the canon cartoons?

Even the original Star Wars novel gave a little backstory on the Emperor, at least took power, which was contradicted by the prequels, but still, Lucas put something out there. When it comes to the Hux/Tarkin comparison, Tarkin looked and felt like a seasoned leader who commanded respect, whereas the young Hux does not. Part of my acceptance of Tarkin is visual. He looks experienced. He sounds commanding. Hux does not, so I have questions about how he did he arrive at this place. The films haven't shown much brilliance on his part to make me accept him as the military genius of the First Order which I am assuming he's supposed to be. I think skewing younger for the Hux character was a mistake. Why does Snoke fear the Jedi? Why does Hux hate the Republic? It's not straight forward to me. But hey, if it works for you, then it works for you. I would like more, especially in light of all the explanations we've gotten in the films and the better character development IMO that we've gotten in novels and comics for other villains.

Even if the story group was working in conjunction with Johnson that doesn't mean they made the right choices. And from what I've read/heard, Johnson did his own thing-with the blessing of Kathleen Kennedy and J.J. Abrams-but he was allowed to make at least some of his own choices, which flew in the face of what Abrams appeared to have left for him to pick up and run with. Hey, Disney was so confident in Johnson's storytelling that they gave him a new trilogy and he still has it.

I think it's okay not to see eye-to-eye here. I do think it's interesting that the sequels have had such a positive experience for you when it's the opposite for me. I am not impressed with the characters or stories, and the sequels have cooled my ardor for Star Wars. I'm not completely out the door yet. I'm still reading the Marvel comics (but mainly the ones in the prequel and original trilogy eras), but I'm no longer interested in the novels (especially any that take place during the sequel era). I don't care about these characters, don't care about the 'stakes', it just doesn't work for me. It works for you, and that's okay. I will probably go see Episode IX at some point, just to see if Abrams can successfully conclude this trilogy, but it's as much for curiosity than excitement, and I used to get excited for Star Wars. Even The Phantom Menace-which I still consider the worst Star Wars film-didn't rattle my faith in Star Wars as much as TFA and TLJ.

 

[DarKush]

While Rey is the protagonist in the sequels, I do wonder if they aren't going to try to redeem Ben. His conflicted nature was presented front and center in TFA, and we saw more of that in TLJ, and they also added the Reylo relationship to open the door wider to his redemption. I think they might keep Rey as the titular hero of the sequels, but still have Ben redeemed, like how Luke was the hero of the originals, but Anakin's redemption played a big part in the story. Rey is the main character, but Ben has been the best developed character in the sequels, and I will say one of the few things they've done is get that divided nature aspect to Ben right, where it came out of left field for Anakin in the OT. It was handled well in ROTJ, but there was zero evidence to me in ANH and TESB that Vader was redeemable. The potential was there for Ben in his first film.

Though I can't see Ben adopting the name "Skywalker", he doesn't really have to. He's already part of the bloodline. I do like the theory about Anakin's mother, because I've long had questions about her, where she came from, did Anakin really not have a father (I've seen the recent Marvel comics have sort of answered that question, which I wasn't a fan of, and hope it that can be left to interpretation). Personally I would have no problem with Rey being a Skywalker. I like that idea more than the fan theory that Rey's Force Users are called "Skywalkers". The Jedi is a perfectly fine name. I would rather they keep the Jedi and Sith and get rid of the Rebellion and Empire, along with Stormtroopers, X-Wings, and TIE Fighters.

Not a fan of the theory that Plagueis possessed Palpatine, but if he possessed Snoke and later possesses Ben I would be okay with that. It would make Ben more of a real threat IMO.

 

[Jayson1]

I kind of like the idea of Skywalker in the title being a young child or baby. What if Han and Leia had another child and they hide to hide him or her away when Ben went to the darkside which would be kind of like what happened with Luke and Leia. Maybe Rey has to protect this child and Ben is saved much like Darth Vadar towards the end and has to kill the Emperior to do it. People do say Abrams copied "The New Hope" so I could see some similiar themes to the old movies show up again. Rey then takes on the responsibility of teaching this child how to someday be a Jedi or not. Maybe that is what is different from how things use to be. That being a Jedi is a choice and not a calling.


Jason

 

[Campe]

Not a fan of the theory that Plagueis possessed Palpatine, but if he possessed Snoke and later possesses Ben I would be okay with that. It would make Ben more of a real threat IMO.

This may sound strange but I actually think that lessens the arc of Palpatine if he was taken over by Plagueis. I think the story that Palpatine told Anakin in ROTS was absolutely true. That Palpatine was the apprentice of Plagueis, killed him and took the research and learnings, was able to truly finish Plagueis' mission by figuring out cheating death. But, knowing how the Sith operated, he needed a backup plan. Utilizing the technology from the Kaminoans, he was able to recreate the cloning process but do so in a way that he could move his consciousness between these clones. Perhaps the Sith can be incorporeal, but only briefly. Like in Dark Empire, there needs to be a vessel to transfer to. So he's able to transfer to these clone bodies. He does so as his body is sent into the reactor core and manages to escape to the Outer Rim where he has begins to rebuild utilizing the significant amount of resources he's built up out there. I mean, come on, they had to build the rather impressive First Order fleet from something. Not to mention its kinda interesting that the ships of the FO do look rather similar to the Empire's. It could have been Snoke who set all this in motion. I mean, he does like his shiny gold lame. But I think the idea that Palpatine set him up to do his bidding is well within the realm of how the Sith operate. (And it was always a little strange to me that Snoke and Kylo Ren weren't of the Sith.)

I think its telling that there are so many stories in the Disney era that reference the Outer Rim. That's where the remains of the Empire goes. That's where the First Order comes from. That's where the purrgils take Ezra and Thrawn. That's presumably where Ahsoka and Sabine head to find their friend. Something is brewing out there and it would make sense that this might be where the threat for this final episode comes from.

I mean, for the most part, this is all already in the canon or has a basis in Legends, so it really could be true. I'm probably way off or interpreting wrong, but it could be!

EDITED for clarity.