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Spoilers A big hint about the finale/season 3 has dropped...

There are no omnipotent beings in Trek. Q is the most powerful being we've seen, and even he isn't omnipotent. It is just that from human perspective the limits of his powers are hard to perceive, but it has still been established that such certainly exist.
He's not omnipotent but he's pretty close to being God, I mean he even judged humanity for its failings once. At least he was nice enough to give us a chance to defend ourselves in a post-apocalyptic court of law and not just go ahead with the flooding.
 
He's not omnipotent but he's pretty close to being God, I mean he even judged humanity for its failings once. At least he was nice enough to give us a chance to defend ourselves in a post-apocalyptic court of law and not just go ahead with the flooding.
He didn't bother letting humanity know the trial continued though.
 
That's what I meant by it being literal fungus being stupid. Some sort of extradimensional plane is kinda weird, but I could accept that. Extradimensional plane of fungi is just just... it is not even woo, it is beyond woo.
Given that various other forms of inter-dimensional life abound in Trek, I really don't see what's so implausible about a fungus whose mycelium straddles the boundaries between ours and others.

-MMoM:D
 
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I'll take a stab at why the mycelial network bugs many folks more than warp drive or transporters: it's everywhere. I'm not saying this is actually a problem, just a hunch about how people feel about things, connotation vs denotation and all that jazz.

Warp and transporters (and Q and bunches of other tech/wizardry in Trek) can go perhaps anywhere or do crazy things, but warp requires a crystal and some engines and a mechanic, things people can wrap their minds around. It's an engine that works (practically dramatically speaking) like any engine they comprehend, but... faster. Transporters get you from one place to another, and people get being in one place and then being in another and we try not to think too hard about becoming data-streams or code or if we would be clones at the other site, but really what we are thinking about is being in place A and then being in place B.

The spore drive, if it was just about using magic mushrooms in a special engine, I think people be like "what? oh, sure, like crystals in the other engine, like we use gas or something. Many of us fundamentally don't know how engines work so just putting something in that makes it go or mediates something that makes it go or somesuch, sure, I get that".

But it's not just putting spores into an engine. It's a special connected network that exists everywhere and ties the universe together, not an energetic force like gravity or a mystical force like The Force (old school SW), but more like The Force (new school SW midichlorian style). Something of substance that is everywhere.

"Subspace has something to do with warp", says someone paying attention more than the average viewer. So why is mushroom space harder to accept? Because we understand "sub" things. It's a sub-heading, a sub-marine, the sub-conscious, ie- sub-space is some "under" space, "something only some eggheads would understand, but sure, we get it, like gravity we don't see, science stuff".

We don't have mycelial-headings, mycelial-marines, the mycelial-concious. DSC saying "there's mushrooms everywhere and we can travel along them" makes people think less of sci-fi warp tech, and more The Magic School Bus or Honey I Shrunk the Kids, fun but not taking itself seriously in the way Trek does to tell any sort of dramatic story.

Not that Trek is deathly serious, nor should it be. Time crystals, which despite the name (they should be called something else and then just called time crystals colloquially so the crew sounds smart and then not pretentious, just like dilithium crystals are basically warp crystals), are easier to swallow as a concept because time is existential, not a physical thing you can touch, like a mushroom.
 
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Why? Why it is implausible that advanced aliens would posses capabilities that seem god-like to us? That is something that those beings, or their ancestors, have probably intentionally striven for aeons. It is most likely a combination of evolution, technological and scientific development and self-enhancement. It didn't happen by accident.
Clarke's law requires that the magic tech not literally be magic. It can't, for instance, violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics or the Uncertainty Principle. The law essentially refers to tech that is well beyond our current engineering ability, not technology that violates fundamental principles of physics.
Then Q is a liar.
Uh, yeah. He absolutely is.
 
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PICARD: This one's canon!

-MMoM:D
So THAT'S where the missing shard from the Dark Crystal went for a few centuries.

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Damn Picard and his archaeological digs!
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Time crystals, which despite the name (they should be called something else and then just called time crystals colloquially so the crew sounds smart and then not pretentious, just like dilithium crystals are basically warp crystals), are easier to swallow as a concept because time is existential, not a physical thing you can touch, like a mushroom.

IMO, as actual modern day physicists feel completely comfortable using the name 'Time Crystals' in their serious papers on a novel state of matter, any fan who thinks there should be realistic scientific underpinnings to any degree in Star Trek should have zero objection to the use of term. I see any objection, especially after this has been pointed out seems rather hypocritical of such critics. .
 
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A thought way out of nowhere, as I re-watch Voyager, and am on 'Dark Frontier' as I type this.... if the assumption is, which I may be way off base on, that the beginnings of the Borg are Control... Is the Borg Queen its manifestation? Is she herself THE control?

A random thought, but it is what is is. She does "control" the Borg after all.
(And I realize people hate the idea of the Borg idea this season so please forgive this random late night thought)
 
The season is going to end with Control being the justification for the backward computer tech of TOS - it's primitive enough to not be controlled by outside AIs, like the Galactica couldn't be controlled by Cylons. New Humans like Airiam will be banned from Starfleet service. And Discovery's computer core will end up parked in a big warehouse (13?) directly over the Ark of the Covenant. ;)
 
I'll take a stab at why the mycelial network bugs many folks more than warp drive or transporters: it's everywhere. I'm not saying this is actually a problem, just a hunch about how people feel about things, connotation vs denotation and all that jazz. Warp and transporters (and Q and bunches of other tech/wizardry in Trek) can go perhaps anywhere or do crazy things, but warp requires a crystal and some engines and a mechanic, things people can wrap their minds around. It's an engine that works (practically dramatically speaking) like any engine they comprehend, but... faster. Transporters get you from one place to another, and people get being in one place and then being in another and we try not to think too hard about becoming data-streams or code or if we would be clones at the other site, but really what we are thinking about is being in place A and then being in place B. The spore drive, if it was just about using magic mushrooms in a special engine, I think people be like "what? oh, sure, like crystals in the other engine, like we use gas or something. Many of us fundamentally don't know how engines work so just putting something in that makes it go or mediates something that makes it go or somesuch, sure, I get that". But it's not just putting spores into an engine. It's a special connected network that exists everywhere and ties the universe together, not an energetic force like gravity or a mystical force like The Force (old school SW), but more like The Force (new school SW midichlorian style). Something of substance that is everywhere. "Subspace has something to do with warp", says someone paying attention more than the average viewer. So why is mushroom space harder to accept? Because we understand "sub" things. It's a sub-heading, a sub-marine, the sub-conscious, ie- sub-space is some "under" space, "something only some eggheads would understand, but sure, we get it, like gravity we don't see, science stuff". But we don't have mycelial-headings, mycelial-marines, the mycelial-concious. DSC saying "there's mushrooms everywhere and we can travel along them" makes people think less of sci-fi warp tech, and more The Magic School Bus or Honey I Shrunk the Kids, fun but not taking itself seriously in the way Trek does to tell any sort of dramatic story. Not that Trek is deathly serious, nor should it be. Time crystals, which despite the name (they should be called something else and then just called time crystals colloquially so the crew sounds smart and then not pretentious, just like dilithium crystals are basically warp crystals), are easier to swallow as a concept because time is existential, not a physical thing you can touch, like a mushroom.
Well said. That was a good analysis.
 
Clarke's law requires that the magic tech not literally be magic. It can't, for instance, violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics or the Uncertainty Principle. The law essentially refers to tech that is well beyond our current engineering ability, not technology that violates fundamental principles of physics.
Considering that the normal 'mortal level' tech in Trek already violates currently known laws of physics (for example transporters specifically have 'Heisenberg Compensators' for breaking Uncertainty Principle) I really don't think that this applies.
 
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