"Cause and Effect" for me. All I'm seeing are a bunch of 3s.
Spoilers A big hint about the finale/season 3 has dropped...
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"Cause and Effect" for me. All I'm seeing are a bunch of 3s.
Yes, you're correct. That's why I was getting a bit frustrated.
Genesis is a dead science as far as we know in the Trek Universe, never to be used again.
Just about everybody associated with the project died (Carol & Chekov being the exceptions) and the core research was lost when Khan stole all the existing materials (then blew it all up along with the Reliant) and David's knowledge was lost when he was killed by the Klingons.
With that, I'm pretty confident that nothing more was done with it as Carol would be the only one with the exact knowledge to begin again.
I rather doubt that would happen as she lost everybody she loved because of it.
Also, Saavik was the only other one aware of the Protomatter connection, and again due to the dire circumstances, I sincerely doubt she ever told anybody.
Just because we as the audience know all the facts and connective details, does not mean that in-universe the information is available or easily reconstructed..
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Discovery Season 3 will be an Epic Store Exclusive.
Same for me. TOS is my favorite show and I like the era.
You can't make everyone happy. A time jump to the 28th century won't work for everyone.
Though not a great way to make friends.
Friends? friends, what is friends?
Room for a possible Pike show?
DSC going to the far future?
Is this me genuinely interested in what DSC's future is going to entail?
The long night has come. The Federation, the greatest civilization in history, has fallen. Now one ship, one crew, have vowed to drive back the night and rekindle the light of civilization. On the starship Discovery... hope lives again.
I'm in! (And I can actually hear SMG reading those lines.)
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TL;DR: SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
DSC going to the far future?
Is this me genuinely interested in what DSC's future is going to entail?
BURNHAM:
The long night has come. The Federation, the greatest civilization in history, has fallen. Now one ship, one crew, have vowed to drive back the night and rekindle the light of civilization. On the starship Discovery... hope lives again.
I'm in! (And I can actually hear SMG reading those lines.)
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TL;DR: SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Been there, done that. Sounds like the premise of Andromeda...
(DISCLAIMER: I haven't read through this whole thread, and I'm not sure whether I will yet, because I generally try to avoid spoilers about what's coming. I just came upon the last couple of pages discussing Genesis and the spore drive. Apologies if anyone feels I've taken them out of context.)
Given what Janeway says about it in "The Omega Directive" (VGR), it's even possible that in between, it did end up being used (whether by the Feds or Klingons or someone else) as the very sort of weapon David feared it might all along: "I know how Einstein must have felt about the atom bomb, or Marcus when she developed the Genesis device; they watched helplessly as science took a destructive course." (She could just be referring to the events of STII-III, but who knows?) Of course, the same episode simultaneously demonstrates that there very much is other science that Starfleet has highly classified, and gone to great lengths to suppress, even to the point of sanctioning the temporary rescinding of the Prime Directive to this end.
In any case, according to Neelix in "Mortal Coil" (VGR), "protomatter is one of the most sought-after commodities" in the Delta Quadrant, being considered "the best energy source" to be found therein.
Genesis didn't just disappear never to be heard of again in Trek, in spite of that claim often being raised. The science and technology behind the spore drive may not either. We have no way of knowing as yet what other applications it might give rise to. Nor do we know if the apparent lack of use by Starfleet (or others) of such drives themselves is down to them willfully refraining from it, or being unable to. For all we know, the Jah'Sepp or some other species that dwells within the "discrete subspace realm" of the mycelial network may eventually develop a method of repelling interlopers, and choose to exercise it.
-MMoM
Genesis itself may have been deemed a failure, but the science behind it did not die, and the Marcuses' work was indeed meant to have eventually formed the basis for famed Federation terraformer Gideon Seyetik's successful use of a protomatter device to re-ignite Epsilon 119's dead star in "Second Sight" (DS9). As Robert Hewitt Wolfe explained in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, page 103: "[Protomatter] was established Federation terraforming technology...Of course, the Genesis device didn't work, but obviously Seyetik's work is built upon the research of previous scientists. And it was a nice way to work in a reference to the movies."
Given what Janeway says about it in "The Omega Directive" (VGR), it's even possible that in between, it did end up being used (whether by the Feds or Klingons or someone else) as the very sort of weapon David feared it might all along: "I know how Einstein must have felt about the atom bomb, or Marcus when she developed the Genesis device; they watched helplessly as science took a destructive course." (She could just be referring to the events of STII-III, but who knows?) Of course, the same episode simultaneously demonstrates that there very much is other science that Starfleet has highly classified, and gone to great lengths to suppress, even to the point of sanctioning the temporary rescinding of the Prime Directive to this end.
In any case, according to Neelix in "Mortal Coil" (VGR), "protomatter is one of the most sought-after commodities" in the Delta Quadrant, being considered "the best energy source" to be found therein.
Genesis didn't just disappear never to be heard of again in Trek, in spite of that claim often being raised. The science and technology behind the spore drive may not either. We have no way of knowing as yet what other applications it might give rise to. Nor do we know if the apparent lack of use by Starfleet (or others) of such drives themselves is down to them willfully refraining from it, or being unable to. For all we know, the Jah'Sepp or some other species that dwells within the "discrete subspace realm" of the mycelial network may eventually develop a method of repelling interlopers, and choose to exercise it.
Exactly! And for that matter, how do we know the Caretakers/Nacene, described by Our Heroes™ as "sporocystian lifeforms"—of whom one was responsible for transporting Voyager across the galaxy in the first place—weren't in some manner connected to the network? For all we know, those tetryon arrays might be their equivalent of a spore drive!
-MMoM
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A lot also depends on what happens at the end of the season.
If they successfully undo the future created by the AI it should undo much of what has occurred in Discovery as the removal of the AI from the timeline will make changes both in the future and the past.
Will be interesting to see how far they go with this.
I do think the chances of a Pike/Enterprise show are good at this point whatever happens, they may be keeping it quiet for the surprise factor.
Would be cool to have a shows in multiple eras at once.
If they successfully undo the future created by the AI it should undo much of what has occurred in Discovery as the removal of the AI from the timeline will make changes both in the future and the past.
Will be interesting to see how far they go with this.
I do think the chances of a Pike/Enterprise show are good at this point whatever happens, they may be keeping it quiet for the surprise factor.
Would be cool to have a shows in multiple eras at once.
I wouldn't mind either a time jump, a jump into another of the "mirror" universes, or even a different galaxy entirely. I'm up for anything at this point, and like Phlox, I like surprises.
Racking my brain though, trying to figure out what this big shock will be and I can't come up with anything besides being flung into the far far future.
Racking my brain though, trying to figure out what this big shock will be and I can't come up with anything besides being flung into the far far future.
We've been everywhere and done everything. That is the nature of fiction. It will all come down to the execution.
Whose to say what technology exists in the 28th century? I think if you send them there, you send them into a technological dark age.
23rd. DSC is set a decade before Kirk's command of the Enterprise. Not your point, I know, but it isn't in Archer's time.
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So that's where Star Trek is going? Awesome! </sarcasm>
I'd rather have that versus more jerking off to what came before.
If this happens, i’m beginning to think this might happen next episode and episode 14 will be completely in the future time. I’m also thinking this might just be a leak from CBS to misdirect. It’s just as possible they don’t do a time jump at all, or they jump to another galaxy, or even jump very far into the past.
Well, Discovery's design is based on conceptual artwork for Planet Of The Titans, after all...
-MMoM
